Re: [sword-devel] Versifications

2018-01-09 Thread Matěj Cepl
On 2018-01-03, 16:50 GMT, Peter Von Kaehne wrote: > When Troy discussed the recent new catholic versifications > I advised him not to accept these into the current release > unless someone else considers them as a) needed and b) > correctly done. When Domcox put his 3 French versifications in >

Re: [sword-devel] Versifications

2018-01-04 Thread David Haslam
There's an important distinction between not maintaining a revision controlled source text and having copies of a source text to process at a particular point in time. There's also a difference between what gets officially stored on the CrossWire server and what gets stored unofficially by any

Re: [sword-devel] Versifications

2018-01-04 Thread L'Africain
Le 04/01/2018 à 18:09, David Haslam a écrit : > Everyone - please understand that CrossWire does *not* maintain the > source text files for any SWORD modules apart from the flagship *KJV* > and *KJVA* modules. Ok it is clear, but what you do with texts send by people for the module creation (Exam

Re: [sword-devel] Versifications

2018-01-04 Thread David Haslam
://protonmail.com) Secure Email. > Original Message > Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Versifications > Local Time: 4 January 2018 3:48 PM > UTC Time: 4 January 2018 15:48 > From: lafricai...@gmail.com > To: sword-devel@crosswire.org > > Le 04/01/2018 à 12:17, Peter Von Ka

Re: [sword-devel] Versifications

2018-01-04 Thread L'Africain
Le 04/01/2018 à 12:17, Peter Von Kaehne a écrit : >> Von: Cyrille > I would like to react to this message, I hope that I will not hurt >> anyone, if my remarks are too direct, be indulgent knowing that English >> is not my native language. > No worries whatsoever, Cyrille, English is also not m

Re: [sword-devel] Versifications

2018-01-04 Thread Matěj Cepl
On 2018-01-04, 09:08 GMT, Cyrille wrote: > Afterwards, I would like to add my point of view regarding > Catholic modules. I deplore the lack of initiative on the part > of Catholics (I am, so I do not accuse anyone from outside), > the obstinacy to keep the rights and the refusal to freely > sp

Re: [sword-devel] Versifications

2018-01-04 Thread Peter Von Kaehne
> Von: Cyrille I would like to react to this message, I hope that I will not hurt > anyone, if my remarks are too direct, be indulgent knowing that English > is not my native language. No worries whatsoever, Cyrille, English is also not my first language either. Many of us are using it solely

Re: [sword-devel] Versifications

2018-01-04 Thread Cyrille
Hello, I would like to react to this message, I hope that I will not hurt anyone, if my remarks are too direct, be indulgent knowing that English is not my native language. First, I thank each and every one of you for the wonderful work you have done for all Bible readers and Christians in particul

[sword-devel] Versifications

2018-01-03 Thread Peter Von Kaehne
Dear all, There are a bunch of sometimes confused and sometimes confusing comments currently on a variety of threads, so here a short summary of current policy, reasons behind it and future re versifications. 1) Loading versification schemes takes time on low resource environments, making prog

Re: [sword-devel] Versifications and verse order

2013-07-04 Thread DM Smith
On Jul 3, 2013, at 3:54 PM, Chris Burrell wrote: > Hi > > Do versifications sometimes have different verse orders to each other. > > Is this something Sword copes with/is intending to cater for? > > My aim is to be able to do a text comparison verse for verse, and so assuming > I have the m

Re: [sword-devel] Versifications and verse order

2013-07-04 Thread DM Smith
As noted by Troy, this is not an issue once the mapping facility is baked into SWORD. It will cope with books having different ordering of keys. When showing parallel content, one translation is picked as the master. Those verses are shown in order. Corresponding verses from the other translatio

Re: [sword-devel] Versifications and verse order

2013-07-04 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
SWORD does not support out-of-numerical-order v11n systems, e.g., one Bible might decide to number its verses 1,5,2,3,4,6,7. We do not plan to have a facility to support this. The argument has been made on threads-past which basically says: changing the logic of chapter/verse from integer log

Re: [sword-devel] Versifications and verse order

2013-07-04 Thread David Haslam
And (for example) if you wish to query the whole of the JPS module using book names, it will not do to specify *Gen-Mal*. You'd need to remember that in the Tanakh, the last book is *II Chronicles*. -- View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/Versifications-and-verse

Re: [sword-devel] Versifications and verse order

2013-07-04 Thread Trevor Jenkins
On 4 Jul 2013, at 14:01, Chris Little wrote: > Book ordering differences are a trivial case, already handled by > versification system definitions. E.g. the German and Luther versification > systems differ, in the NT, only in book order. If you query Heb-Rev in > German, you'll get the content

Re: [sword-devel] Versifications and verse order

2013-07-04 Thread Chris Little
Book ordering differences are a trivial case, already handled by versification system definitions. E.g. the German and Luther versification systems differ, in the NT, only in book order. If you query Heb-Rev in German, you'll get the contents of 9 books. In Luther, you would get only 4 books.

Re: [sword-devel] Versifications and verse order

2013-07-04 Thread Chris Burrell
Hi David Book order isn't such an issue because you don't tend to line up passages across book boundaries.But I guess that's an interesting question, since it would mean that Gen-Ex could mean different things in different versifications. Presumably we're never going to support book ordering being

Re: [sword-devel] Versifications and verse order

2013-07-04 Thread David Haslam
Maybe the title should have included the phrase "book order". As is fairly well known, the book order for the Epistles is different in Eastern Canon than in the Western Canon. This is just one such peculiarity for the NT. There is also that odd move of some verses to a different chapter in Romans

Re: [sword-devel] Versifications and verse order

2013-07-04 Thread Chris Burrell
So, my understanding from all the previous emails, is No we don't cope for books with different orders of keys. However these do happen. Moreover, the more general case of content from 1 verse switched with the content of another is more prevalent. So it's quite feasible to have a system that maps

Re: [sword-devel] Versifications and verse order

2013-07-03 Thread Chris Burrell
Response from Michael below. On 3 July 2013 21:25, Kahunapule Michael Johnson wrote: > On 07/03/2013 10:07 AM, Chris Burrell wrote: > > > > In your example about the Psalms, within the versification itself you > still have the verses in the same order, so that wouldn't be a problem. But > I thi

Re: [sword-devel] Versifications and verse order

2013-07-03 Thread Greg Hellings
On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Greg Hellings wrote: > Chris, > > > On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Chris Burrell wrote: > >> Hi >> >> Do versifications sometimes have different verse orders to each other. >> >> Is this something Sword copes with/is intending to cater for? >> > > My understanding

Re: [sword-devel] Versifications and verse order

2013-07-03 Thread Greg Hellings
Chris, On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Chris Burrell wrote: > Hi > > Do versifications sometimes have different verse orders to each other. > > Is this something Sword copes with/is intending to cater for? > My understanding is that no, we do not cater to books, chapters or verses being out of

Re: [sword-devel] Versifications and verse order

2013-07-03 Thread Chris Burrell
> Hi Michael > > In your example about the Psalms, within the versification itself you > still have the verses in the same order, so that wouldn't be a problem. But > I think you're saying you might have the content of verse 1 and the content > of verse 2 swapped around... Is that right? Would the

Re: [sword-devel] Versifications and verse order

2013-07-03 Thread Kahunapule Michael Johnson
On 07/03/2013 09:54 AM, Chris Burrell wrote: Hi Do versifications sometimes have different verse orders to each other. Yes, unfortunately. Is this something Sword copes with/

[sword-devel] Versifications and verse order

2013-07-03 Thread Chris Burrell
Hi Do versifications sometimes have different verse orders to each other. Is this something Sword copes with/is intending to cater for? My aim is to be able to do a text comparison verse for verse, and so assuming I have the mappings between each verse, can I take two lists and work my way down.

Re: [sword-devel] Versifications, Canons and move to Genbook

2008-05-19 Thread Barry Drake
Hi DJ . DJ Ortley wrote: > Though I've not submitted any of my work, I've been slowly working on > the genbook based bible thing in the little bits of free time I have. If you are not yet ready to share your work with the group, I wonder if you might have time to send me your implemen

Re: [sword-devel] Versifications, Canons and move to Genbook

2008-05-18 Thread Chris Little
Each Bible has its own versification system. We will keep that versification system within the Sword module when we transition to GenBooks. So the KJV will have the KJV versification. The NASB will have a similar but slightly different system. The WLC, Aleppo Codex, & JPS modules will have a sy

Re: [sword-devel] Versifications, Canons and move to Genbook

2008-05-18 Thread DJ Ortley
Though I've not submitted any of my work, I've been slowly working on the genbook based bible thing in the little bits of free time I have. I don't know if what I end up producing will ever be something that would be considered for inclusion in the main branch of the Sword API. And, just as many

[sword-devel] Versifications, Canons and move to Genbook

2008-05-18 Thread Peter von Kaehne
The last few days I had an exchange of emails with someone on sword-support who complained about wrong order of books in the Hebrew Bible. It became clear that he was looking for a Jewish style ordered Bible and ours follows the KJV as everything else in Crosswire too. I explained this to him an