Re: [sword-devel] OSIS markup for gen books and devotionals

2014-10-08 Thread Nic Carter
I agree with Karl. I have used the standard filters & played with css to make it display properly on an iPhone screen vs iPad screen, but that hasn't changed the text itself (just padding, borders, etc, to make it easier to read on a small or medium sized screen). Also, using those same filters

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS markup for gen books and devotionals

2014-10-08 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
Thanks for the email Karl. Yes, when I read Laurie's concise and informative report of how we do on different features and output formats, I was grateful in my heart and planned to use her report for improving the XHTML filters. I agree, these are bugs and we need to fix them. I started the

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS markup for gen books and devotionals

2014-10-08 Thread Karl Kleinpaste
Longish ramble. I'm still finding our lack of attention or interest regarding consistent output somewhat disappointing. David wrote a lot a couple weeks back about this, but some of it just plain bugs me, and no one else followed up at all. Some of the bugs-me is non-specific, some is very speci

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS markup for gen books and devotionals

2014-09-23 Thread David "Judah's Shadow" Blue
On September 6, 2014 10:35:43 AM EDT, Laurie Fooks wrote: >Hi > >The issue still stands as to what markup is common to front ends and >at what level should that apply - engine or front end.- sorry, I am >not aufait with how the sword system works at the program level Sorry for the delayed repl

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS markup for gen books and devotionals

2014-09-22 Thread DM Smith
ll module content > through a XSLT conversion to create HTML, latter does something else. > > > - Reply message - > From: "Nic Carter" > To: "SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum" > Subject: [sword-devel] OSIS markup for gen books and devotional

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS markup for gen books and devotionals

2014-09-21 Thread ref...@gmx.net
odule content through a XSLT conversion to create HTML, latter does something else. - Reply message - From: "Nic Carter" To: "SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum" Subject: [sword-devel] OSIS markup for gen books and devotionals Date: Mon, Sep 22, 2014 03:20

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS markup for gen books and devotionals

2014-09-21 Thread Nic Carter
As a general FYI, when I would test for conformity to how text should display, I used to test PocketSword vs Xiphos vs Eloquent/MacSword vs BPBible. My testing showed that they were a reasonable source of test cases. If something looked right in them but not in PS, I knew I had a bug. :) (Karl,

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS markup for gen books and devotionals

2014-09-21 Thread Karl Kleinpaste
I find it odd that this discussion died out without any further consideration from other app or engine developers as to why the apps' delivery varies. ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS markup for gen books and devotionals

2014-09-06 Thread Karl Kleinpaste
On 09/06/2014 10:35 AM, Laurie Fooks wrote: > If we don't have a high level of commonality then I am concerned that > we are losing the purpose of having a common "engine" ^/_This_./^ In all honesty, I have no idea what Xiphos (as the object of my personal concern) could do differently. We use th

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS markup for gen books and devotionals

2014-09-06 Thread Laurie Fooks
Hi The issue still stands as to what markup is common to front ends and at what level should that apply - engine or front end.- sorry, I am not aufait with how the sword system works at the program level If we don't have a high level of commonality then I am concerned that we are losing the purpo

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS markup for gen books and devotionals

2014-09-06 Thread David "Judah's Shadow" Blue
On August 27, 2014 5:52:50 PM EDT, Laurie Fooks wrote: >Thanks David, > >Please look at my second set of OSIS genbook test modules - I may be >formatting incorrectly. This second set includes tags but >BibleTime is not displaying these as intended. >The OSIS site also suggests that not be us

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS markup for gen books and devotionals

2014-08-28 Thread ref...@gmx.net
To qualify Karl's response, I think the OSIS genbook support is less solid than THML. - Reply message - From: "Karl Kleinpaste" To: "SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum" Subject: [sword-devel] OSIS markup for gen books and devotionals Date: Thu, Aug 2

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS markup for gen books and devotionals

2014-08-28 Thread laurie.fooks
Thanks Karl ... but not many, if any, use more than basic markup? If I am chasing something which is not achievable, I'll drop it ... On 29/08/14 01:42, Karl Kleinpaste wrote: On 08/28/2014 11:10 AM, Laurie Fooks wrote: Is it possible that part of the prob may be that most genbooks have histor

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS markup for gen books and devotionals

2014-08-28 Thread Karl Kleinpaste
On 08/28/2014 11:10 AM, Laurie Fooks wrote: > Is it possible that part of the prob may be that most genbooks have > historically used "ThML" and some front ends are geared towards that > markup? $ cd ~/.sword/mods.d $ grep -l ^DataPath.*genbook * | xargs grep ^SourceType | tr -d '\r' | cut -f2 -d=

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS markup for gen books and devotionals

2014-08-28 Thread Laurie Fooks
Resending without attachments as it is queued Thanks Peter, I have attached another set of test mods and source with the tags. The paragraphs display correctly in Xiphos, BPBible and Xulsword but not in BibleTime or BT-Mini or AndBible. Really appreciate if you can look at my modules as to whe

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS markup for gen books and devotionals

2014-08-28 Thread Laurie Fooks
Looking at the OSIS manual again, I tried the milestone line break - and it works, albeit differently on different front ends e.g. BT displays each break and Xiphos strips extra linebreaks inserted to give a blank line. For the BT devels - I have also just found that the images are displayed in B

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS markup for gen books and devotionals

2014-08-27 Thread Nic Carter
ly for your scenario > > - Reply message - > From: "Laurie Fooks" > To: "SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum" > Subject: [sword-devel] OSIS markup for gen books and devotionals > Date: Thu, Aug 28, 2014 07:05 > > > Hi Nic > > I ju

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS markup for gen books and devotionals

2014-08-27 Thread ref...@gmx.net
; Subject: [sword-devel] OSIS markup for gen books and devotionals Date: Thu, Aug 28, 2014 07:05 Hi Nic I just has a look at Psalms on PocketSword in a bible version using markup -its great as it does display the etc tags to give the indenting. I don't see anything else unexpected ? Did I

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS markup for gen books and devotionals

2014-08-27 Thread Nic Carter
Hi Laurie, Try creating a pretend-Bible and put a bunch of your text all in Gen 1:1 & see how it looks. Marking something as poetry will automatically indent it a little in PocketSword & so you will be wasting some screen space for "normal" text when you're on a small screen... If you have mor

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS markup for gen books and devotionals

2014-08-27 Thread Laurie Fooks
Hi Nic I just has a look at Psalms on PocketSword in a bible version using markup -its great as it does display the etc tags to give the indenting. I don't see anything else unexpected ? Did I miss something ... Is line spacing the same... it was hard to tell? I would love to try my test mods

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS markup for gen books and devotionals

2014-08-27 Thread Nic Carter
Ahh, no, sorry. Devotionals, commentaries, Bibles & dictionaries :) > On 28 Aug 2014, at 15:51, Laurie Fooks wrote: > > Thanks Nic > > I certainly hope there will be a solution to paragraphs and line > displays, particularly for Android programs ... until then, I am stuck > with >lg> !! > > I

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS markup for gen books and devotionals

2014-08-27 Thread Laurie Fooks
Thanks Nic I certainly hope there will be a solution to paragraphs and line displays, particularly for Android programs ... until then, I am stuck with >lg> !! I have PocketSword 1.45 on an Ipod and Iphone - Is there a way for it to display general books? Cheers Laurie On 8/28/14, Nic Carter w

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS markup for gen books and devotionals

2014-08-27 Thread Nic Carter
Hi Laurie, Some front-ends will apply some special formatting for poetry & you don't want that formatting for your modules, so don't mark it as poetry & you'll be fine :) (PocketSword is an example, if you wanted to test on an iOS device.) Thanks, ybic Nic. :) > On 28 Aug 2014, at 07:52, Lauri

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS markup for gen books and devotionals

2014-08-27 Thread Laurie Fooks
Thanks Karl, Both BibleTime and Xulsword display the table as in my test module. The markup for tables was copy / paste from the Crosswire wiki OSIS page. Line indents are important for poetry markup .. I'll have to delve again into how this is done in OSIS bibles... but last time I checked, it

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS markup for gen books and devotionals

2014-08-27 Thread Karl Kleinpaste
On 08/27/2014 06:04 PM, Laurie Fooks wrote: > Xiphos is displaying most of the OSIS markup - with exceptions seen in > my test module: > - line indents using > - some formats > - tables I have heard now and again that tables don't survive OSIS->anything filtering very well. I know that Xiphos it

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS markup for gen books and devotionals

2014-08-27 Thread Laurie Fooks
Thanks Karl, Xiphos is displaying most of the OSIS markup - with exceptions seen in my test module: - line indents using - some formats - tables again, it may be an incorrect OSIS markup or conf file in my module Cheers Laurie On 8/27/14, Karl Kleinpaste wrote: > On 08/26/2014 07:44 PM, Lau

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS markup for gen books and devotionals

2014-08-27 Thread Laurie Fooks
Thanks David, Please look at my second set of OSIS genbook test modules - I may be formatting incorrectly. This second set includes tags but BibleTime is not displaying these as intended. The OSIS site also suggests that not be used for pagebreaks - I am not sure why it is not a good idea? - a

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS markup for gen books and devotionals

2014-08-27 Thread Karl Kleinpaste
On 08/26/2014 07:44 PM, Laurie Fooks wrote: > 1. Internal linking - the pattern, "MODULE:DIV1.DIV2.DIV3" in the > Crosswire wiki does not work in any front end - > "MODULE:DIV1/DIV2/DIV3" works in Xiphos and BPBible and > "MODULE://DIV1/DIV2/DIV3" is needed for BibleTime and BibleTime-Mini. > Is th

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS markup for gen books and devotionals

2014-08-27 Thread David "Judah's Shadow" Blue
On August 26, 2014 7:44:58 PM EDT, Laurie Fooks wrote: >2. Paragraphs and linebreaks - I have found the poetry markup (lg, l) >is the only reliable way to have line breaks / paragraphs - Its >working well, but is there an alternate I should use? I can't speak for other front-ends and poetry for

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS markup for gen books and devotionals

2014-08-27 Thread Peter Von Kaehne
Hi, Will need to look at your example files later. Right now - the links are a long lasting bug bear of all of us. The wiki layout is the desired and correct one. The engine implementation of that is dodgy and needs fixing. We decided a while back to leave the wiki as it stands because that is