Re: [sword-devel] Locale differences

And it makes sense ... why shouldn't the OSIS influence the modules own configuration (its not like the .conf file is dealing with something separate from what the OSIS markup is)? The less extraneous configuration required outside of the module itself the cleaner the implimentation. Also, module

Re: [sword-devel] Locale differences

On 09/16/2012 12:40 PM, Andrew Thule wrote: Needless osis filler ? I assume it's gone this way because modules needed conf-like influence but the (osis) standard moves too slowly? (I think I read in this list someone wondering if people were still working on it - with the recommendation Swo

Re: [sword-devel] Locale differences

On 16/09/12 20:40, Andrew Thule wrote: > If so, I understand the practicality, but its too bad all of the .conf > stuff couldn't be contained in the module so we could do away with > having to generate .conf files apart from the modules' osis (or if its > a resource issue, make it so the .confs co

Re: [sword-devel] Locale differences

have plenty more, but these are irrelevant > > for the future. > > > > And Beta and Av11n hopefully contain none. Chris has said ages ago, he will > > only accept OSIS bibles. And generally the standard of texts has gone up > > over the years. > > > >

Re: [sword-devel] Locale differences

A >> >> On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Peter von Kaehne wrote: >> > Just CrossWire Main. Attic might have plenty more, but these are >> > irrelevant for the future. >> > >> > And Beta and Av11n hopefully contain none. Chris has said ages ago, he &

Re: [sword-devel] Locale differences

AM, Peter von Kaehne wrote: > > Just CrossWire Main. Attic might have plenty more, but these are > irrelevant for the future. > > > > And Beta and Av11n hopefully contain none. Chris has said ages ago, he > will only accept OSIS bibles. And generally the standard of texts

Re: [sword-devel] Locale differences

ly contain none. Chris has said ages ago, he will > only accept OSIS bibles. And generally the standard of texts has gone up over > the years. > > Peter > Original-Nachricht >> Datum: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 04:30:35 -0700 (PDT) >> Von: David Haslam >>

Re: [sword-devel] Locale differences

> Datum: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 04:30:35 -0700 (PDT) > Von: David Haslam > An: sword-devel@crosswire.org > Betreff: Re: [sword-devel] Locale differences > Peter, > > Did your survey of our modules cover all the repositories? > Or just those in CrossWire Main? > &

Re: [sword-devel] Locale differences

Peter, Did your survey of our modules cover all the repositories? Or just those in CrossWire Main? David -- View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/Locale-differences-tp4650966p4650992.html Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __

Re: [sword-devel] Locale differences

On 12/09/12 22:49, DM Smith wrote: > > BTW, GBF doesn't and ThML might not have OSISrefs. (ThML can, but there's no > guarantee.) FWIW, while we still have 37 GBF modules in the main repo, none of these have cross references. We do have 2 ThML Bibles with references - the ISV and the Swe1917. I

Re: [sword-devel] Locale differences

Hi Chris, On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 4:53 PM, Chris Little wrote: > On 09/12/2012 02:49 PM, DM Smith wrote: > >> When they differed, I took a look at the input to understand the >> differences. IIRC, in every difference the input was ambiguous (e.g. >> v10 for this chapter's 10-th verse or Jud found

Re: [sword-devel] Locale differences

On Sep 13, 2012, at 8:57 AM, Peter von Kaehne wrote: > And then, we should at least for OSIS modules disable all parsing of > unresolved free text references. I'll put that on the JSword todo list. ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire

Re: [sword-devel] Locale differences

On Sep 13, 2012, at 12:59 AM, Peter von Kaehne wrote: > On 12/09/12 22:49, DM Smith wrote:> >> I few years ago I scraped all the modules (GBF, ThML and OSIS; Bibles >> and Commentaries) for their references. I then ran them through SWORD >> and through JSword and compared what they interpreted t

Re: [sword-devel] Locale differences

> Von: DM Smith > So lets use a different hypothetical, a module has "Ma 1:1" as a cross > reference in the book of Malachi. To what should it resolve? > > The point of the example is that a book reference in a module that is > ambiguous is just plain bad. As a module maker I treat this follow

Re: [sword-devel] Locale differences

On Sep 13, 2012, at 2:53 AM, Chris Little wrote: > On 09/12/2012 02:49 PM, DM Smith wrote: >> When they differed, I took a look at the input to understand the >> differences. IIRC, in every difference the input was ambiguous (e.g. >> v10 for this chapter's 10-th verse or Jud found in the book of

Re: [sword-devel] Locale differences

On 09/12/2012 02:49 PM, DM Smith wrote: When they differed, I took a look at the input to understand the differences. IIRC, in every difference the input was ambiguous (e.g. v10 for this chapter's 10-th verse or Jud found in the book of Judith). Are these actual examples or just hypotheticals?

Re: [sword-devel] Locale differences

On 12/09/12 22:49, DM Smith wrote:> > I few years ago I scraped all the modules (GBF, ThML and OSIS; Bibles > and Commentaries) for their references. I then ran them through SWORD > and through JSword and compared what they interpreted the reference > to be. > > When they differed, I took a look at

Re: [sword-devel] Locale differences

On Sep 12, 2012, at 5:05 PM, Peter von Kaehne wrote: > On 12/09/12 14:51, DM Smith wrote: >> >> On Sep 12, 2012, at 6:10 AM, Peter von Kaehne > > wrote: >> >>> So, Jsword's use of English as default first is simply wrong, unless >>> the user has a way of undoing that. >>

Re: [sword-devel] Locale differences

On 12/09/12 14:51, DM Smith wrote: > > On Sep 12, 2012, at 6:10 AM, Peter von Kaehne > wrote: > >> So, Jsword's use of English as default first is simply wrong, unless >> the user has a way of undoing that. > > The problem, which SWORD has also, is that the parsing routin

Re: [sword-devel] Locale differences

On Sep 12, 2012, at 6:10 AM, Peter von Kaehne wrote: > So, Jsword's use of English as default first is simply wrong, unless the user > has a way of undoing that. The problem, which SWORD has also, is that the parsing routine does not distinguish between user input and module or application in

Re: [sword-devel] Locale differences

On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 5:10 AM, Peter von Kaehne wrote: > >> Von: Jonathan Morgan >> So long as you don't have references which parse as different books in >> different locales, it should be relatively innocuous to try a locale > > I am positive we have already clashes. Basically the engine will

Re: [sword-devel] Locale differences

> Von: Jonathan Morgan > So long as you don't have references which parse as different books in > different locales, it should be relatively innocuous to try a locale I am positive we have already clashes. Basically the engine will take heavily shortened abbreviations - down to one single lett

Re: [sword-devel] Locale differences

Hi Greg, On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Greg Hellings wrote: > On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Jonathan Morgan > wrote: > > For the record, BPBible allows the locale for book names to be selected > > independently from the locale for the user interface (though it will > default > > to being t

Re: [sword-devel] Locale differences

>From my point as a user, non-native English speaker and often using resources neither in my own language nor English I think there is no rationale to allow all installed languages being blindly searched for possible parse results -. E.g. I would never want Takwane to interfere into my search for p

Re: [sword-devel] Locale differences

Update to note: Apparently BibleTime has a setting in its configuration that allows the user to specifically select which language Bible book names will be displayed in. This is used across all parsing and display. On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 9:08 PM, DM Smith wrote: > > On Sep 11, 2012, at 8:27 PM,

Re: [sword-devel] Locale differences

On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Jonathan Morgan wrote: > For the record, BPBible allows the locale for book names to be selected > independently from the locale for the user interface (though it will default > to being the same). From memory this was added to handle the case where > book names w

Re: [sword-devel] Locale differences

On Sep 11, 2012, at 8:27 PM, Greg Hellings wrote: > On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 8:01 PM, DM Smith wrote: >> This is a hard question. And a good one. >> >> For the record (not saying it is right or that it is best or even good) here >> is how JSword does it: >> It does not use the Locale of the mo

Re: [sword-devel] Locale differences

On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 8:01 PM, DM Smith wrote: > This is a hard question. And a good one. > > For the record (not saying it is right or that it is best or even good) here > is how JSword does it: > It does not use the Locale of the module. > It uses the OSIS book names first. (Assumes that the

Re: [sword-devel] Locale differences

For the record, BPBible allows the locale for book names to be selected independently from the locale for the user interface (though it will default to being the same). From memory this was added to handle the case where book names were available for another language but no one was ever likely to

Re: [sword-devel] Locale differences

I agree - it's a very good question, and more important for some front-ends than for others. Front-ends such as *And Bible* do not include a text entry method for "go to passage". *And Bible* has a 2 dimensional table for Passage; selecting Book, then Chapter, then (optionally) Verse. /The latte

Re: [sword-devel] Locale differences

This is a hard question. And a good one. For the record (not saying it is right or that it is best or even good) here is how JSword does it: It does not use the Locale of the module. It uses the OSIS book names first. (Assumes that the majority of Book Names come from OSIS modules) Then it uses

Re: [sword-devel] Locale differences

On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 6:00 PM, Peter von Kaehne wrote: > On 10/09/12 20:44, Greg Hellings wrote: > >> I just wanted to put that out here, so there is a record of it and so >> developers for either app can think about the UX they want. In the >> case of Takwane, since neither application has a Ta

Re: [sword-devel] Locale differences

On 10/09/12 20:44, Greg Hellings wrote: > I just wanted to put that out here, so there is a record of it and so > developers for either app can think about the UX they want. In the > case of Takwane, since neither application has a Takwane locale it is > likely the users will try for Portugese in

[sword-devel] Locale differences

Just wanted to note here some differences between Xiphos and BibleTime locale handling. Setup: I'm working with a new, minority language translation. The language is Takwane with the language code abbreviation "tke". I have successfully created a module which has the conf file entry "Lang=tke" and