Re: [sword-devel] Future MacSword

2008-03-27 Thread DM Smith
Manfred, You are now the proud owner of the Jira entry for MacSword. You should be able to administer any settings for it, but feel free to ask me for help if you need it. DM Manfred Bergmann wrote: > DM. > > Please change the owner to me. > Then we will see in which way we will use it. > >

Re: [sword-devel] Future MacSword

2008-03-27 Thread Manfred Bergmann
DM. Please change the owner to me. Then we will see in which way we will use it. Thx, Manfred Am 21.03.2008 um 14:32 schrieb DM Smith: > Manfred, > > You can use the one at CrossWire. > http://www.crosswire.org/bugs/secure/BrowseProject.jspa?id=10010 > It is not otherwise being used. I can c

Re: [sword-devel] Future MacSword

2008-03-22 Thread Manfred Bergmann
That sounds quite nice actually. But we don't have Trac. So either we create a internal tracker in SF or use Jiira which is also a very nice bug tracker system and I would prefer it over SF. But switching between SF and Jiira... Not sure if practically. Manfred Am 21.03.2008 um 21:42 schrieb

Re: [sword-devel] Future MacSword

2008-03-21 Thread Nathan Youngman
That is one thing I like Trac for... not only does it track issues, but it integrates with Subversion. When you commit a changeset, you can say "closes #34" referencing a ticket, and if set up properly, it will actually close the ticket. Those #ticket and [changeset] bits of text link betwe

Re: [sword-devel] Future MacSword

2008-03-21 Thread DM Smith
Manfred, You can use the one at CrossWire. http://www.crosswire.org/bugs/secure/BrowseProject.jspa?id=10010 It is not otherwise being used. I can change the project owner to you, if you'd like. DM On Mar 21, 2008, at 9:04 AM, Manfred Bergmann wrote: > Another question. > > I would like to cr

Re: [sword-devel] Future MacSword

2008-03-21 Thread Manfred Bergmann
Another question. I would like to create an internal tracker for tasks/issue on development versions not for public use. What do you think? Manfred ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sw

Re: [sword-devel] Future MacSword

2008-03-20 Thread Nathan Youngman
On 20-Mar-08, at 10:13 AM, Manfred Bergmann wrote: > I remember there were some locale problems. I think it is in the > SwordManager initialization code. > I didn't had the time and look deeply into it. But yes, there is also > a problem for German localization. Some Umlauts in the Booknames are >

Re: [sword-devel] Future MacSword

2008-03-20 Thread Manfred Bergmann
Am 20.03.2008 um 17:57 schrieb Nathan Youngman: > > On 20-Mar-08, at 1:21 AM, Manfred Bergmann wrote: > >> The problems are probably due to many changes in the trunk lately. >> But Hebrew??? That's strange. > > Strange indeed... my Mac's second language is Hebrew, but it should be > using Englis

Re: [sword-devel] Future MacSword

2008-03-20 Thread Nathan Youngman
On 20-Mar-08, at 1:21 AM, Manfred Bergmann wrote: > The problems are probably due to many changes in the trunk lately. > But Hebrew??? That's strange. Strange indeed... my Mac's second language is Hebrew, but it should be using English, especially since Hebrew isn't my second language :-).

Re: [sword-devel] Future MacSword

2008-03-20 Thread Manfred Bergmann
Am 20.03.2008 um 05:01 schrieb Nathan Youngman: > > On 19-Mar-08, at 2:32 PM, Manfred Bergmann wrote: > >> Eh, svn:external? > > svn:externals would be especially useful if you were working against > the trunk of > Sword, and/or wanted the option of committing changes back to Sword > itself. > >

Re: [sword-devel] Future MacSword

2008-03-19 Thread Nathan Youngman
Thanks Troy, The AspenSimulator1.2.sdk (iPhone) actually does have SearchKit.framework, which is what MacSword is now using. That will be more convenient for porting, as we can have a low-level OS X framework that works identically for both. - nathan On 17-Mar-08, at 11:02 AM, Troy A. Gri

Re: [sword-devel] Future MacSword

2008-03-19 Thread Nathan Youngman
On 19-Mar-08, at 2:32 PM, Manfred Bergmann wrote: > Eh, svn:external? svn:externals let you reference other repositories, when you check out one, you get the other this is how you would do it sword_mac_build> svn propedit svn:externals . (not the dot for current directory)... and put in the f

Re: [sword-devel] Future MacSword

2008-03-19 Thread Manfred Bergmann
Hi Nathan. Am 19.03.2008 um 21:01 schrieb Nathan Youngman: > On 19-Mar-08, at 12:34 AM, Manfred Bergmann wrote: > >> Done. trunk is now again the trunk. ;) > > Much, much cleaner. Now just to build sword and all that. > I wonder if we couldn't use an svn:external to the Sword repository > and se

Re: [sword-devel] Future MacSword

2008-03-19 Thread Nathan Youngman
Hi Manfred, On 19-Mar-08, at 12:34 AM, Manfred Bergmann wrote: > Done. trunk is now again the trunk. ;) Much, much cleaner. Now just to build sword and all that. I wonder if we couldn't use an svn:external to the Sword repository and set it up within Xcode so that it's Build & Go simple. You

Re: [sword-devel] Future MacSword

2008-03-19 Thread Manfred Bergmann
Hi Nathan. Am 19.03.2008 um 02:09 schrieb Nathan Youngman: > I suppose we could rename the trunk and then rename the branch to > clear it up. Subversion is kinda so/so with renames, but generally it > works okay if it's planned well. Done. trunk is now again the trunk. ;) > My account on sourc

Re: [sword-devel] Future MacSword

2008-03-18 Thread Nathan Youngman
Hey Manfred, Always helps to be looking in the right place... :-) I suppose we could rename the trunk and then rename the branch to clear it up. Subversion is kinda so/so with renames, but generally it works okay if it's planned well. My account on sourceforge forwards to [EMAIL PROTECTED],

Re: [sword-devel] Future MacSword

2008-03-18 Thread Manfred Bergmann
Am 17.03.2008 um 17:45 schrieb Nathan Youngman: > > Hi Manfred, > > Yay, SearchKit! Sounds like a little cleanup is needed in Subversion > though :-) You need to look at branches/MacSword-reorg I did reorganize all source files in a branch some time ago and it never made it into the trunk. So

Re: [sword-devel] Future MacSword

2008-03-17 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
Just a side note, but SWORD includes a compiler option to use clucene (c++ port of lucene). If you can get clucene compiled for the iphone (it has compiled for me fairly straight-forward on most platforms), then you can turn on sword support for this (usrinst.sh near the top) and sword search

Re: [sword-devel] Future MacSword

2008-03-17 Thread Nathan Youngman
Hi Manfred, Yay, SearchKit! Sounds like a little cleanup is needed in Subversion though :-) I'm not sure if SearchKit is on iPhone OS, I don't see why not, but never know. Regarding the networking bit: "There may be occasions when you need to configure your application target so that it

Re: [sword-devel] Future MacSword

2008-03-17 Thread Manfred Bergmann
Guys. :) Am 17.03.2008 um 17:06 schrieb Greg Hellings: > Nathan, > > On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Nathan Youngman <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: >> >> Hi Sébastien, >> >> While the iPhone only has 128 MB of RAM for running programs, I think >> the 4-16 GB of storage space should be fine for

Re: [sword-devel] Future MacSword

2008-03-17 Thread Manfred Bergmann
Hi Nathan. We don't use Lucene any longer (for quite a while now actually). Instead Apple's SearchKit is used for indexing/searching. Maybe there is time to create a Spotlight plugin in the future. But more important things need to get done actually. Do you know if SearchKit is available on iPho

Re: [sword-devel] Future MacSword

2008-03-17 Thread Greg Hellings
Nathan, On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Nathan Youngman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Sébastien, > > While the iPhone only has 128 MB of RAM for running programs, I think > the 4-16 GB of storage space should be fine for having multiple Bibles. > Though for simplicity of the interface, i

Re: [sword-devel] Future MacSword

2008-03-17 Thread Nathan Youngman
Hi Manfred, Nice to meet you. :-) Your wrapper will go a long way towards supporting both Tiger and the iPhone SDK, I'm sure. From peering at the source code, I noticed the Java version of Lucene being used, which won't port to the iPhone either. Sword uses OSIS and other XML formats internall

Re: [sword-devel] Future MacSword

2008-03-17 Thread Nathan Youngman
Hi Sébastien, While the iPhone only has 128 MB of RAM for running programs, I think the 4-16 GB of storage space should be fine for having multiple Bibles. Though for simplicity of the interface, it might even be a good idea to scale back to a single text. As far as other languages, it may m

Re: [sword-devel] Future MacSword

2008-03-17 Thread Manfred Bergmann
Hi Nathan. Good to hear from you. Your name appears on many of the source files in MacSword. :) Finally I pulled out all the Objective-C 2.0 stuff of the Sword wrapper. This way it is more widely useable. Also I put everything in a framework so there is only one codebase and it can be used on

Re: [sword-devel] Future MacSword

2008-03-17 Thread Sebastien Koechlin
On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 07:14:09PM -0700, Nathan Youngman wrote: > The iPhone SDK does sandbox you into a directory for your application, > but you could use the networking layer to retrieve and install Sword > modules. Perhaps another possibility would be to just preload it with > a few... I

[sword-devel] Future MacSword

2008-03-16 Thread Nathan Youngman
Hi, Thought I'd chime in on the conversation between Manfred and Greg on MacSword and the iPhone SDK. Glad to see MacSword is alive and kicking. The Eloquent wrapper sounds like a good step, though the iPhone SDK doesn't include garbage collection (pretty much all the other Objective-C 2.0

Re: [sword-devel] Future MacSword

2008-03-12 Thread Manfred Bergmann
Hi Greg. Am 11.03.2008 um 21:42 schrieb Greg Hellings: > Manfred, > > Thanks, that clears up quite a bit of how it works. More below... > > On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 3:19 PM, Manfred Bergmann > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hi Greg. >> >> >> Am 11.03.2008 um 20:52 schrieb Greg Hellings: >> >> >

Re: [sword-devel] Future MacSword

2008-03-11 Thread Greg Hellings
On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Manfred Bergmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Because I was curious about Objective-C 2.0 which has a couple of > enhancements (like properties and gargabe collector) and Eloquent is > completely using it (module installer and Sword backend). > If I backport the mod

Re: [sword-devel] Future MacSword

2008-03-11 Thread Manfred Bergmann
Because I was curious about Objective-C 2.0 which has a couple of enhancements (like properties and gargabe collector) and Eloquent is completely using it (module installer and Sword backend). If I backport the module installer and the refactored backend to MacSword, it will need the Objectiv

Re: [sword-devel] Future MacSword

2008-03-11 Thread David Trotz
I agree. -- David DM Smith wrote: > I think this is a great plan. > > On Mar 11, 2008, at 5:46 PM, Manfred Bergmann wrote: > > >> Hi DM. >> >> Mac Users should be used to that all of a sudden some software support >> is just canceled. >> Just kidding. :) >> But still, I think they are used to s

Re: [sword-devel] Future MacSword

2008-03-11 Thread Manfred Bergmann
Troy. Thanks for your comments. I will work on an official bundle right away. Which are the default modules that should be included? Of course it is necessary to support older systems. We have support back to Mac OSX Jaguar (10.2) with MacSword 1.2.1. This is fine. We will keep this and at the

Re: [sword-devel] Future MacSword

2008-03-11 Thread DM Smith
I think this is a great plan. On Mar 11, 2008, at 5:46 PM, Manfred Bergmann wrote: > Hi DM. > > Mac Users should be used to that all of a sudden some software support > is just canceled. > Just kidding. :) > But still, I think they are used to such things more than Windows or > Linux or even Java

Re: [sword-devel] Future MacSword

2008-03-11 Thread Manfred Bergmann
Hi DM. Mac Users should be used to that all of a sudden some software support is just canceled. Just kidding. :) But still, I think they are used to such things more than Windows or Linux or even Java users. Apple sometimes is very restrictive and makes hard cuts themselfes. But you are right

Re: [sword-devel] Future MacSword

2008-03-11 Thread Greg Hellings
DM, On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 3:57 PM, DM Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Manfred Bergmann wrote: > > it would be a Leopard only > > application. > > IIRC the majority of users that had questions about MacSword actually > > were using Leopard. > > > > We have thought about which OSes we sho

Re: [sword-devel] Future MacSword

2008-03-11 Thread DM Smith
Manfred Bergmann wrote: > it would be a Leopard only > application. > IIRC the majority of users that had questions about MacSword actually > were using Leopard. > We have thought about which OSes we should support for BibleDesktop. The conclusion was to support at least the current and th

Re: [sword-devel] Future MacSword

2008-03-11 Thread Greg Hellings
Manfred, Thanks, that clears up quite a bit of how it works. More below... On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 3:19 PM, Manfred Bergmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Greg. > > > Am 11.03.2008 um 20:52 schrieb Greg Hellings: > > > > I've been starting to tackle the iPhone/iPod Touch question this past >

Re: [sword-devel] Future MacSword

2008-03-11 Thread Daniel Glassey
On 11/03/2008, Manfred Bergmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My thinking was that until something new is there I would branch > MacSword and backport the backend and the module installer into > MacSword. The UI would stay the same and it would be a Leopard only > application. > IIRC the major

Re: [sword-devel] Future MacSword

2008-03-11 Thread David Trotz
Curious: Why Leopard only? I am currently running Tiger and won't be upgrading for a while and I suspect many are in my shoes as well. Is there some feature of Leopard you are targeting? I currently use MacSword (when I am on my mac) and really enjoy it. :-) -- David

Re: [sword-devel] Future MacSword

2008-03-11 Thread Manfred Bergmann
Hi Greg. Am 11.03.2008 um 20:52 schrieb Greg Hellings: > I've been starting to tackle the iPhone/iPod Touch question this past > week, and it doesn't look like it would be terribly difficult. The > most complicated and tedious portion of the project is getting Sword > to compile in XCode in a m

Re: [sword-devel] Future MacSword

2008-03-11 Thread Greg Hellings
I've been starting to tackle the iPhone/iPod Touch question this past week, and it doesn't look like it would be terribly difficult. The most complicated and tedious portion of the project is getting Sword to compile in XCode in a manner which would allow it to build for an iPhone app. I am not c

Re: [sword-devel] Future MacSword

2008-03-11 Thread Jon Brisbin
I for one am STOKED about an iPhone/iPod Touch Sword app! :) I'm okay with Leopard-only for the time being, particularly as some of the main apps I'm using these days are Leopard-only... Thanks! Jon Brisbin http://jbrisbin.com On Mar 11, 2008, at 12:37 PM, Manfred Bergmann wrote: > Hi. > >

Re: [sword-devel] Future MacSword

2008-03-11 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
Dear Manfred, I think your ideas are exciting. My only thoughts (which you've likely already considered) are that it would be nice to package an official bundle of the beta at sourceforge. This would allow pre-Leopard users to have something usable with our latest modules. It might be nice t

[sword-devel] Future MacSword

2008-03-11 Thread Manfred Bergmann
Hi. Although MacSword is quite old and it would be more than time for something new I found that it will still take a good amount of time until something usable is there that can replace MacSword. I'm the only one developing in this area ATM and was quite busy with my daily work the last mon