Re: [sword-devel] Catholic and Catholic2 versification

2018-01-15 Thread Dominique Corbex
On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 14:39:29 -0500 > Troy wrote: Versification mapping questions are still outstanding. Костя, DM, you both have written the mapping code for our C++ and Java libraries respectively. You both seem to have different ways to record the mapping between v11n systems. Is there one de

Re: [sword-devel] Catholic and Catholic2 versification

2018-01-11 Thread David Haslam
rotonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. > ---- Original Message ---- > Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Catholic and Catholic2 versification > Local Time: 9 January 2018 5:20 PM > UTC Time: 9 January 2018 17:20 > From: scr...@crosswire.org > To: sword-devel@crosswire.org > > Y

Re: [sword-devel] Catholic and Catholic2 versification

2018-01-09 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
Yes, so, as Peter points out, Chris Little previously owned v11n.  Chris had all the right insights and attributes to manage this and we're now lacking in this area. These are important things for anyone owning responsibility for this to consider for v11n. You need an overall understanding of the

Re: [sword-devel] Catholic and Catholic2 versification

2018-01-09 Thread Cyrille
Le 09/01/2018 à 14:30, Matěj Cepl a écrit : > On 2018-01-09, 12:33 GMT, Cyrille wrote: >> Maybe you can test with your language? It can be interesting >> if you have a Catholic bible? > See my other thread about CzeB21. How can I test it? Currently is it run whith Catholic? I don't know how to t

Re: [sword-devel] Catholic and Catholic2 versification

2018-01-09 Thread Matěj Cepl
On 2018-01-09, 12:33 GMT, Cyrille wrote: > Maybe you can test with your language? It can be interesting > if you have a Catholic bible? See my other thread about CzeB21. How can I test it? Matěj -- http://matej.ceplovi.cz/blog/, Jabber: mceplceplovi.cz GPG Finger: 3C76 A027 CA45 AD70 98B5 BC1D

Re: [sword-devel] Catholic and Catholic2 versification

2018-01-09 Thread Peter Von Kaehne
> Von: Cyrille > An: sword-devel@crosswire.org > Maybe you can test with your language? It can be interesting if you have > a Catholic bible? I will test with Einheitsuebrsetzung Peter ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://ww

Re: [sword-devel] Catholic and Catholic2 versification

2018-01-09 Thread Cyrille
Le 09/01/2018 à 12:42, Matěj Cepl a écrit : > On 2018-01-09, 10:12 GMT, Cyrille wrote: >> Ok, then I think a "quick" solution (waiting a more "complete") is to >> add almost the Catholic3_lit. Because We have more than 100 verses >> different. And If I have to chose a v11n for Catholic bible I wi

Re: [sword-devel] Catholic and Catholic2 versification

2018-01-09 Thread Matěj Cepl
On 2018-01-09, 10:12 GMT, Cyrille wrote: > Ok, then I think a "quick" solution (waiting a more "complete") is to > add almost the Catholic3_lit. Because We have more than 100 verses > different. And If I have to chose a v11n for Catholic bible I will chose > this one. How is this v11n doing with o

Re: [sword-devel] Catholic and Catholic2 versification

2018-01-09 Thread Peter Von Kaehne
just now. Peter > Gesendet: Dienstag, 09. Januar 2018 um 10:12 Uhr > Von: Cyrille > An: sword-devel@crosswire.org > Betreff: Re: [sword-devel] Catholic and Catholic2 versification > > Ok, then I think a "quick" solution (waiting a more "complete") is to &

Re: [sword-devel] Catholic and Catholic2 versification

2018-01-09 Thread Cyrille
Thanks, Cyrile for teh reminder. > > I have asked for suggestions from everyone how to resolve the impasse. No > responses have come forward. > > Peter > > > >> Gesendet: Dienstag, 09. Januar 2018 um 10:01 Uhr >> Von: Cyrille >> An: sword-devel@c

Re: [sword-devel] Catholic and Catholic2 versification

2018-01-09 Thread Peter Von Kaehne
Thanks, Cyrile for teh reminder. I have asked for suggestions from everyone how to resolve the impasse. No responses have come forward. Peter > Gesendet: Dienstag, 09. Januar 2018 um 10:01 Uhr > Von: Cyrille > An: sword-devel@crosswire.org > Betreff: Re: [sword-devel]

Re: [sword-devel] Catholic and Catholic2 versification

2018-01-09 Thread Cyrille
The 1.8.1 version is now released and this question (about the new versification) is not yet solved. Please make a decision rather than letting the matter drag on indefinitely. Maybe the good way is to just add the new Catholic3_lit.h (compromise between catholic and catholic2)? Le 29/12/2017 à 17

Re: [sword-devel] Catholic and Catholic2 versification

2018-01-03 Thread Cyrille
Le 03/01/2018 à 09:32, David Haslam a écrit : > Thanks, Cyrille, > > I'll update the wiki page section.  > > NB. There is no v11n called Catholic1. Yes sorry, I know! > > There's no plan to obsolete the Catholic & Catholic2 v11ns. > Some existing released modules were built to these. > > The most

Re: [sword-devel] Catholic and Catholic2 versification

2018-01-03 Thread David Haslam
Thanks, Cyrille, I'll update the wiki page section. NB. There is no v11n called Catholic1. There's no plan to obsolete the Catholic & Catholic2 v11ns. Some existing released modules were built to these. The most we might do would be to deprecate them for new modules. Further discussion is requi

Re: [sword-devel] Catholic and Catholic2 versification

2018-01-03 Thread Cyrille
I'm happy to read on the wiki the addition of the new Catholic v11n. Do you have an idea when the 1.8.1 version will be released? I give you a proposition of text for the wiki (need correction of my English!) because I can't access it, (there is also a mistake in**"sig*n*ificant" in the wiki): /Ca

Re: [sword-devel] Catholic and Catholic2 versification

2017-12-29 Thread Cyrille
Le 29/12/2017 à 17:52, DM Smith a écrit : > My concern at the time was that once we’ve a v11n that has been released and > modules have been built with it we really can’t change it. People keep > modules around long after we’ve updated or obsoleted them. We want them to be > able to update the

Re: [sword-devel] Catholic and Catholic2 versification

2017-12-29 Thread DM Smith
My concern at the time was that once we’ve a v11n that has been released and modules have been built with it we really can’t change it. People keep modules around long after we’ve updated or obsoleted them. We want them to be able to update their front-end without losing functionality of the mod

Re: [sword-devel] Catholic and Catholic2 versification

2017-12-29 Thread Cyrille
This is my first post: Le 05/06/2017 à 09:18, Cyrille a écrit : > Hi, > Working with Catholic bibles I realized that there were some errors in > the versifications currently proposed. > I found for all those in which I could verify the following errors: > Ps 101 8 verses, not 9 > Job 25 6 verses n

Re: [sword-devel] Catholic and Catholic2 versification

2017-10-31 Thread Cyrille
Hello, I would like to know what about my proposition of the new Catholic v11n? Because, I have some proposition for the problem of the Book of Esther, and the modern translations that choose to put an alternative versification while keeping 10 chapters. Either we have verses named 1a 1b, and so or

Re: [sword-devel] Catholic and Catholic2 versification

2017-07-09 Thread Cyrille
Ok I understood. Le 09/07/2017 à 01:28, DM Smith a écrit : > The short answer: no. > > Long answer: > There are two parts to this: > The module’s index and how osis2mod handles this. > First, the index: > Each verse has one slot. As Troy mentioned, the trailing a, b, c, …. is > ignored. That mean

Re: [sword-devel] Catholic and Catholic2 versification

2017-07-08 Thread DM Smith
The short answer: no. Long answer: There are two parts to this: The module’s index and how osis2mod handles this. First, the index: Each verse has one slot. As Troy mentioned, the trailing a, b, c, …. is ignored. That means it identifies the same slot in the index. Second, osis2mod’s handling of

Re: [sword-devel] Catholic and Catholic2 versification

2017-07-07 Thread Cyrille
Ok, I test with: \v 1a test pour voir \v 1b test pour voir encore In the osis file it is well: ta tuba sambu na nkâka na beto Abra­ham ? Nki yandi zwaka na kimuntu na yandi ? test pour voir test pour voir encore I can read the text in xiphos but not the verse number, is it a way to display the ver

Re: [sword-devel] Catholic and Catholic2 versification

2017-07-07 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
Dear Br. Cyrille, The SWORD engine will accept verse references with a single letter suffix,e.g., Esther 5:1b. The engine does nothing more than to resolve this to Esther 5:1. So, while not perfect, a Bible can include 1a, 1b, 1c all in verse 1 with formatted how the edition wishes, e.g., a note

Re: [sword-devel] Catholic and Catholic2 versification

2017-07-07 Thread Cyrille
I wrote a new v11n, named catholic_lit, (catholic liturgical) see the attached file. This versification follows the neo-vulgate and is used for the liturgical translation almost in French. I used the 10 chapter for Esther, but I have a question, what to do with the alternate verses numbered (1a,1b,

Re: [sword-devel] Catholic and Catholic2 versification

2017-06-09 Thread Cyrille
I'm very happy to discover how many people use KonNYM!! I'm working on a new version with notes. And we are translating the old testament... Le 09/06/2017 à 19:36, DM Smith a écrit : > BTW, I’ve shortened this, removing country info, so you can reply to > it without having it bounce for being too

Re: [sword-devel] Catholic and Catholic2 versification

2017-06-09 Thread DM Smith
BTW, I’ve shortened this, removing country info, so you can reply to it without having it bounce for being too big… > On Jun 9, 2017, at 2:13 PM, DM Smith wrote: > > Here are the stats for as far back as we have them. Total by module broken > out by “agent” and then by country. Other (SWORD) is

Re: [sword-devel] Catholic and Catholic2 versification

2017-06-09 Thread DM Smith
I’d like to have Troy and Peter’s guidance on this. It is both a software and a module management issue. Back in the day, we knew this was likely to happen. I’m still gathering stats. It is a slow process. I think it should help inform a decision. The upshot is that there are thousands of downlo

Re: [sword-devel] Catholic and Catholic2 versification

2017-06-09 Thread Cyrille
Not a lot! And Konnym doesn't have (not yet) the Old Testament. I manage it... Then if you prefer to write a new v11n, I can do it. But what name to give it? And I would to write 2 v11n, one for esther 10 and one for Esther 16. A name can be CatholicEs10, and CatholicEs16? Le 09/06/2017 à 15:46, D

Re: [sword-devel] Catholic and Catholic2 versification

2017-06-09 Thread DM Smith
On the CrossWire server the following are in the main repository: konnym.conf:Versification=Catholic2 porcap.conf:Versification=Catholic slostritar.conf:Versification=Catholic Checking the download stats for these. Will get back with the results. In Him, DM > On Jun 9, 2017, at 10:37 AM

Re: [sword-devel] Catholic and Catholic2 versification

2017-06-09 Thread Cyrille
Hi, What the solution proposed? Is it possible to know exactly how modules are compiled with the Catholic and Catholic2? I'm interesting to know it... Le 06/06/2017 à 14:50, DM Smith a écrit : > If an existing v11n changes, all modules released by it will have to be > re-released with the update

Re: [sword-devel] Catholic and Catholic2 versification

2017-06-06 Thread DM Smith
If an existing v11n changes, all modules released by it will have to be re-released with the update and all front-ends will have to be recompiled with it. JSword will need to change too and front-ends based upon it, also. The reason is simple the index file for a testament is an indexed array wi

Re: [sword-devel] Catholic and Catholic2 versification

2017-06-06 Thread Cyrille
Le 05/06/2017 à 20:09, David Haslam a écrit : > *Catholic* & *Catholic2* versifications were released with *SWORD 1.6.2* > almost 7 years ago! > > See https://crosswire.org/wiki/Alternate_Versification > and https://www.crosswire.org/wiki/Sword_library_versions > > Any change at this stage would

Re: [sword-devel] Catholic and Catholic2 versification

2017-06-05 Thread David Haslam
*Catholic* & *Catholic2* versifications were released with *SWORD 1.6.2* almost 7 years ago! See https://crosswire.org/wiki/Alternate_Versification and https://www.crosswire.org/wiki/Sword_library_versions Any change at this stage would entail consequences for some existing modules. Exactly how

Re: [sword-devel] Catholic and Catholic2 versification

2017-06-05 Thread Greg Hellings
On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 3:18 AM, Cyrille wrote: > Hi, > Working with Catholic bibles I realized that there were some errors in > the versifications currently proposed. > I found for all those in which I could verify the following errors: > Ps 101 8 verses, not 9 > Job 25 6 verses not 14 > Job 27 2

Re: [sword-devel] Catholic and Catholic2 versification

2017-06-05 Thread Cyrille
Oh Yes! I wrote it in French, it's song of Solomon. Le 05/06/2017 à 09:27, David Haslam a écrit : > Please clarify what the book abbreviation "CT" denotes. Thanks. > > David > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/Catholic-and-Catholic2-versification-tp4

Re: [sword-devel] Catholic and Catholic2 versification

2017-06-05 Thread David Haslam
Please clarify what the book abbreviation "CT" denotes. Thanks. David -- View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/Catholic-and-Catholic2-versification-tp4657279p4657280.html Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

[sword-devel] Catholic and Catholic2 versification

2017-06-05 Thread Cyrille
Hi, Working with Catholic bibles I realized that there were some errors in the versifications currently proposed. I found for all those in which I could verify the following errors: Ps 101 8 verses, not 9 Job 25 6 verses not 14 Job 27 23 verses not 24 CT 4 16 verses not 17 Zach 4 14 verses not 16