Re: [sword-devel] Adding abbreviated names to the module conf file (was Re: isalnum(3) for i18n)

2008-12-18 Thread Eeli Kaikkonen
Quoting Chris Little : Okay. While I find the arguments in favor of localizing all string fields in .confs entirely unconvincing, it doesn't drastically harm anything to permit module makers to add more data to their .conf files. That's true. So I think we can go with the suggestion of suf

Re: [sword-devel] Adding abbreviated names to the module conf file (was Re: isalnum(3) for i18n)

2008-12-18 Thread Chris Little
Peter von Kaehne wrote: Chris Little wrote: I suspected there would be disagreement with my suggested number, but I had assumed that it would seem too low. So... some of my reasoning: Many Bibles will include a year, which eats up 4 characters in itself. Bibles with standard abbreviations are

Re: [sword-devel] Adding abbreviated names to the module conf file (was Re: isalnum(3) for i18n)

2008-12-18 Thread Peter von Kaehne
Chris Little wrote: > > > DM Smith wrote: >> Chris, >> >> I would like to lobby for a separator between the language code and >> the field name. I don't much care whether it is a prefix or suffix. >> While I understand that you are suggesting that we don't have a deAbbr >> or xxAbbr, I could see

Re: [sword-devel] Adding abbreviated names to the module conf file (was Re: isalnum(3) for i18n)

2008-12-17 Thread Chris Little
DM Smith wrote: Chris, I would like to lobby for a separator between the language code and the field name. I don't much care whether it is a prefix or suffix. While I understand that you are suggesting that we don't have a deAbbr or xxAbbr, I could see that it might be added some time in th

Re: [sword-devel] Adding abbreviated names to the module conf file (was Re: isalnum(3) for i18n)

2008-12-17 Thread Peter von Kaehne
Chris Little wrote: > > > Tom Cornell wrote: >> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 3:04 AM, Chris Little >> wrote: >>> My recommendation was actually that the default be the language of the >>> module (what I have referred to, perhaps somewhat confusingly, as the >>> localized name). In the absence of that

Re: [sword-devel] Adding abbreviated names to the module conf file (was Re: isalnum(3) for i18n)

2008-12-17 Thread Chris Little
Tom Cornell wrote: On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 3:04 AM, Chris Little wrote: My recommendation was actually that the default be the language of the module (what I have referred to, perhaps somewhat confusingly, as the localized name). In the absence of that, I recommended using the English. For ol

Re: [sword-devel] Adding abbreviated names to the module conf file (was Re: isalnum(3) for i18n)

2008-12-17 Thread Peter von Kaehne
DM Smith wrote: > Chris, > > I would like to lobby for a separator between the language code and the > field name. I don't much care whether it is a prefix or suffix. While I > understand that you are suggesting that we don't have a deAbbr or > xxAbbr, I could see that it might be added some time

Re: [sword-devel] Adding abbreviated names to the module conf file (was Re: isalnum(3) for i18n)

2008-12-17 Thread Tonny Kohar
Hi, On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:22 PM, DM Smith wrote: > Chris, > > I would like to lobby for a separator between the language code and the > field name. I don't much care whether it is a prefix or suffix. While I > understand that you are suggesting that we don't have a deAbbr or xxAbbr, I > coul

Re: [sword-devel] Adding abbreviated names to the module conf file (was Re: isalnum(3) for i18n)

2008-12-17 Thread Peter von Kaehne
DM Smith wrote: > > On Dec 17, 2008, at 4:04 AM, Peter von Kaehne wrote: > >> >> I think an argument could be had for following scheme combining both >> proposals into following: >> >> [Config_entry]_original >> >> [Config_entry] [locale] and ubiquitous installation of a English locale >> which i

Re: [sword-devel] Adding abbreviated names to the module conf file (was Re: isalnum(3) for i18n)

2008-12-17 Thread DM Smith
On Dec 17, 2008, at 4:04 AM, Peter von Kaehne wrote: I think an argument could be had for following scheme combining both proposals into following: [Config_entry]_original [Config_entry] [locale] and ubiquitous installation of a English locale which in turn would be returned by the machin

Re: [sword-devel] Adding abbreviated names to the module conf file (was Re: isalnum(3) for i18n)

2008-12-17 Thread DM Smith
Chris, I would like to lobby for a separator between the language code and the field name. I don't much care whether it is a prefix or suffix. While I understand that you are suggesting that we don't have a deAbbr or xxAbbr, I could see that it might be added some time in the future and w

Re: [sword-devel] Adding abbreviated names to the module conf file (was Re: isalnum(3) for i18n)

2008-12-17 Thread DM Smith
Chris, I wholeheartedly concur. Description should be the actual title of the work. There are probably are exceptions. DM On Dec 17, 2008, at 2:44 AM, Chris Little wrote: Peter von Kaehne wrote: Chris Little wrote: Could you describe how you think all of these values would be used practi

Re: [sword-devel] Adding abbreviated names to the module conf file (was Re: isalnum(3) for i18n)

2008-12-17 Thread Tom Cornell
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 3:04 AM, Chris Little wrote: > My recommendation was actually that the default be the language of the > module (what I have referred to, perhaps somewhat confusingly, as the > localized name). In the absence of that, I recommended using the English. > For old (all existing)

Re: [sword-devel] Adding abbreviated names to the module conf file (was Re: isalnum(3) for i18n)

2008-12-17 Thread Eeli Kaikkonen
This discussion is repeating some of the earlier discussion about this same subject. I repeat one point here: "FinPR" is meaningless to Finnish people. It is customary to reference the translation with "KR 1938" or something like that. "Pyhä Raamattu kirkolliskokouksen 1998 käyttöönottaman

Re: [sword-devel] Adding abbreviated names to the module conf file (was Re: isalnum(3) for i18n)

2008-12-17 Thread Peter von Kaehne
Chris Little wrote: > Since new module .confs would have module name information in the > module's own locale (provided it is available), I don't believe there's > really a case where the system/user locale would ever be used. I can see many cases - where someone wants to keep a different language

Re: [sword-devel] Adding abbreviated names to the module conf file (was Re: isalnum(3) for i18n)

2008-12-17 Thread Daniel Owens
Chris Little wrote: Daniel Owens wrote: - The default should not necessarily be English. This is what Chris is suggesting. The default display ought to be in the language that the module developer decides (usually the language of that module, except in the case of ancient texts, in which case

Re: [sword-devel] Adding abbreviated names to the module conf file (was Re: isalnum(3) for i18n)

2008-12-17 Thread Chris Little
Daniel Owens wrote: - The default should not necessarily be English. This is what Chris is suggesting. The default display ought to be in the language that the module developer decides (usually the language of that module, except in the case of ancient texts, in which case probably English shou

Re: [sword-devel] Adding abbreviated names to the module conf file (was Re: isalnum(3) for i18n)

2008-12-16 Thread Chris Little
Peter von Kaehne wrote: Chris Little wrote: Could you describe how you think all of these values would be used practically? You would basically access them via the set locale. The preference would be to get a locale appropriate name and if not the fall back solution which would be English.

Re: [sword-devel] Adding abbreviated names to the module conf file

2008-12-16 Thread Karl Kleinpaste
Peter von Kaehne writes: > The preference would be to get a locale appropriate name and if not > the fall back solution which would be English. This is how Gnome does > the menus and it works well. The obvious general implementation is for mod->getConfigEntry(entry) to return the value for entry+

Re: [sword-devel] Adding abbreviated names to the module conf file (was Re: isalnum(3) for i18n)

2008-12-16 Thread Daniel Owens
This is a good issue to discuss. I think both Chris and Peter's ideas have merit. - It would be nice to have more than one alternative, tied either to the current locale or to some configuration option (it is up to the front-end developer, if you ask me, how they use this information) - The d

Re: [sword-devel] Adding abbreviated names to the module conf file (was Re: isalnum(3) for i18n)

2008-12-16 Thread Peter von Kaehne
Chris Little wrote: > Could you describe how you think all of these values would be used > practically? You would basically access them via the set locale. The preference would be to get a locale appropriate name and if not the fall back solution which would be English. This is how Gnome does th

Re: [sword-devel] Adding abbreviated names to the module conf file (was Re: isalnum(3) for i18n)

2008-12-16 Thread Chris Little
Peter von Kaehne wrote: Chris Little wrote: In addition to these, I recommend adding enDescription, enAbout, Abbr, and enAbbr. We traditionally include English and localized title/about data within Description & About entries. The addition of enDescription and enAbout would simply divide thes

Re: [sword-devel] Adding abbreviated names to the module conf file (was Re: isalnum(3) for i18n)

2008-12-16 Thread Peter von Kaehne
Chris Little wrote: > > In addition to these, I recommend adding enDescription, enAbout, Abbr, > and enAbbr. > > We traditionally include English and localized title/about data within > Description & About entries. The addition of enDescription and enAbout > would simply divide these, so enDescrip

Re: [sword-devel] Adding abbreviated names to the module conf file (was Re: isalnum(3) for i18n)

2008-12-16 Thread Chris Little
Jonathan Morgan wrote: On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 4:50 AM, Ben Morgan wrote: I'd really like to see an abbreviations field - while a description is useful, an abbreviation such as KJV, ESV, etc is invaluable when there is not much room. Most bibles have such an abbreviation. I also agree that we

[sword-devel] Adding abbreviated names to the module conf file (was Re: isalnum(3) for i18n)

2008-12-11 Thread Jonathan Morgan
On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 4:50 AM, Ben Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd really like to see an abbreviations field - while a description is > useful, an abbreviation such as KJV, ESV, etc is invaluable when there is > not much room. > Most bibles have such an abbreviation. > I also agree that w