Re: [sword-devel] OSIS sources? [Was: Re: Project “Free Scriptures” started]

2014-02-24 Thread Peter Von Kaehne
> Von: "Matěj Cepl" > On Mon, 2014-02-24 at 16:49 -0700, Troy A. Griffitts wrote: > > We DO MAINTAIN a link to the source where we obtained the material; > > anyone wishing to use the data from one of our SWORD modules SHOULD > > INSTEAD simply look at the source link in the module .conf file

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS sources? [Was: Re: Project “Free Scriptures” started]

2014-02-24 Thread Matěj Cepl
On Mon, 2014-02-24 at 16:49 -0700, Troy A. Griffitts wrote: > We DO MAINTAIN a link to the source where we obtained the material; > anyone wishing to use the data from one of our SWORD modules SHOULD > INSTEAD simply look at the source link in the module .conf file and use > that source instead.

Re: [sword-devel] Best Windows compiler to use to make Python bindings to Sword?

2014-02-24 Thread Peter von Kaehne
On Mon, 2014-02-24 at 22:00 -0600, Greg Hellings wrote: > > > That said, I have no idea if Swig is compatible with Visual Studio, > nor if there is a version available for running on Windows, nor if it > would produce a DLL that would link happily on Windows against Python, > nor how to install

Re: [sword-devel] Project "Free Scriptures" started

2014-02-24 Thread ref...@gmx.net
Further to DM, crossconnect is the only project of which I am aware which in recent years have tried to reimplement and actually got it off the ground. Sharpsword was an attempt to create c# bindings. Like many previous attempts to get to workings c# bindings it failed/was abandoned. Crossconne

Re: [sword-devel] Project "Free Scriptures" started

2014-02-24 Thread DM Smith
Small correction: JSword is part of The SWORD Project and was created by members of CrossWire Bible Society. We've also created SWIG and Corba bindings so that the SWORD library is available in many contexts. Many of the modules have been licensed to CrossWire for use by The SWORD Project. Not

Re: [sword-devel] Best Windows compiler to use to make Python bindings to Sword?

2014-02-24 Thread Greg Hellings
While it is possible to mix-and-match DLLs from Visual Studio with those from MinGW or those from other compilers, it is not recommended as it requires special work during the compiling and linking phase. It's rather difficult. Thus, it would be easiest on you to build the bindings with the same co

Re: [sword-devel] Project "Free Scriptures" started

2014-02-24 Thread Daniel Hughes
Regardless of what you want, the fact is that it's already to late. JSword, sharpsword, CrossConnect and who knows what else already use your format. You are the authoritative source for other projects weather you like it or not. The sword modules you have are an invaluable resource for other proj

Re: [sword-devel] Project “Free Scriptures” started

2014-02-24 Thread DM Smith
On Feb 24, 2014, at 5:59 PM, Stephan Kreutzer wrote: >> The only module that we retain the text for is the KJV. I am the maintainer >> for that source, and if you'd like it, just ask. It is freely available, but >> I've not been very good on making it clear what is the most recent version. >>

Re: [sword-devel] Project “Free Scriptures” started

2014-02-24 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
Jaak, I hesitate to even humor yet another response to unwarranted criticism. Let's just say what you really mean: You think people have trouble contributing to the SWORD project because we don't use your choice of source control software and because we have a very tight approval process for

Re: [sword-devel] Project "Free Scriptures" started

2014-02-24 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
Historically, CrossWire has always maintained that our data formats are volatile. We optimize them, add new features to them, basically change them if we feel they need changing. In reality one could say that they haven't changed much in the past few years, but this is only cursorily true. T

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS sources? [Was: Re: Project “Free Scriptures” started]

2014-02-24 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
To confirm what others have said: CrossWire has historically held the position that we are not the keepers of any authoritative source documents. There are a number of reasons for this, many have been stated already in this thread: we are primarily a software development project, other project

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS an formating

2014-02-24 Thread David "Judahs Shadow" Blue
On Sunday, February 23, 2014 04:12:06 PM Kahunapule Michael Johnson wrote: > ANY time you assume that poetry and prose markup neatly nest within verses, > you WILL have problems if you process very many Bibles. Poetry lines are > marked by (not ll) within , like: Ah yes I was going from poor memo

[sword-devel] Best Windows compiler to use to make Python bindings to Sword?

2014-02-24 Thread rj_qgsous_sword
I would like to make Python bindings to Sword. From reading the documentation that comes with Sword, I see that I need to build the entire Sword library in order to do this. What would be the recommended compiler to use? I am running Windows 8.1. I don't have any experience

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS sources? [Was: Re: Project “Free Scriptures” started]

2014-02-24 Thread Matěj Cepl
On Mon, 2014-02-24 at 20:16 +, Peter von Kaehne wrote: > I think the basic decision to not publish OSIS for texts we do not > maintain is sound. I have disagreed with it in the past, but once I > realised the Chinese whisper like deterioration of texts by project > copying from project copying

Re: [sword-devel] Project "Free Scriptures" started

2014-02-24 Thread Daniel Hughes
I wonder if the fact that the sword module format is undocumented and not published contributes to this perception. There are at least 4 different projects that I know of which implement sword module support. And they have either had to look at the sword code and thus accept GPL2 (no plus) licencin

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS sources? [Was: Re: Project “Free Scriptures” started]

2014-02-24 Thread Peter von Kaehne
On Mon, 2014-02-24 at 17:38 +0100, Matěj Cepl wrote: > Although, the original message was IMHO completely trollish, there is > one thing, where I would like to get a clarification. > > On Sun, 2014-02-23 at 22:21 -0800, Chris Little wrote: > > We're not an OSIS document repository. Making XML docu

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS sources? [Was: Re: Project “Free Scriptures” started]

2014-02-24 Thread Kahunapule Michael Johnson
Title: signature I understand the desire to have a repository for Scripture source files that are freely redistributable (i.e. public domain, Creative Commons, or similar). I operate the beginnings of one at https://Bible.cx/Scriptures/, and welcome additions. I d

[sword-devel] OSIS sources? [Was: Re: Project “Free Scriptures” started]

2014-02-24 Thread Matěj Cepl
Although, the original message was IMHO completely trollish, there is one thing, where I would like to get a clarification. On Sun, 2014-02-23 at 22:21 -0800, Chris Little wrote: > We're not an OSIS document repository. Making XML documents available > for that content that we could share is not

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS sources? [Was: Re: Project “Free Scriptures” started]

2014-02-24 Thread Matěj Cepl
On Mon, 2014-02-24 at 17:38 +0100, Matěj Cepl wrote: > removed (I am going to resend here the message I sent to David couple of > weeks ago for which I have never received a reply). I would like to Actually, it has been sent here as well … http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.literature.sword.devel

Re: [sword-devel] Project “Free Scriptures” started

2014-02-24 Thread John Zaitseff
Hi, Jaak Ristioja wrote: > In addition, although Sword is GPL, there are many obstacles for > outsiders to actually start contributing to the project, hence I > somewhat understand why Sword might be perceived as not Free > software. One of the freedoms of the GNU General Public License is that

Re: [sword-devel] Project “Free Scriptures” started

2014-02-24 Thread Jaak Ristioja
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi! I must say that although I do not agree with all the criticism of the Sword project I do agree with some of it, and I actually hope that a bit of healthy competition would help both parties. IMHO this again highlights some of the problems of the