[sword-devel] Support for linked verse range markers?

2012-02-12 Thread David Haslam
On those front-ends that I use (in Windows), for places where there are linked verses, the application generally displays only the verse number tag for the first verse of the range of text. Yet the publishers of these translations have usually gone to the trouble to print a proper verse range tag.

Re: [sword-devel] proposed patch: adding n=X marker content to footnotes and xrefs

2012-02-12 Thread Karl Kleinpaste
I just committed an updated patch to accomplish this, with Troy's OK. He didn't like abusing RenderText() (and he was right), so it is implemented as a trivial setRenderNoteNumbers(bool) in each of the 7 *htmlhref and *xhtml filters. ___ sword-devel mail

Re: [sword-devel] Av11n and coverage

2012-02-12 Thread Ben Morgan
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 12:04 PM, DM Smith wrote: > I agree. And I think that all frontends do handle missing verses in some > fashion or another. I'm not sure what proper is. Bible Desktop shows a > verse number and no content. I think it should change, but not sure how. > > But the question sta

Re: [sword-devel] Av11n and coverage

2012-02-12 Thread DM Smith
I've seen something similar with the end of Mark. In Him, DM On Feb 12, 2012, at 5:27 PM, David Haslam wrote: > Hi DM, > > Your assertion about the Protestant version of the Russian Synodal is noted > - but please be aware that the RSP module v3.2 now being officially > distributed by

Re: [sword-devel] Av11n and coverage

2012-02-12 Thread DM Smith
On Feb 12, 2012, at 6:16 PM, Ben Morgan wrote: > On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 8:58 AM, DM Smith wrote: > In the case of synodal it has 100 verses in Daniel 3. Protestant synodal > would be 33 (IIRC). It might need to be at the verse level. > I think frontends should handle missing verses properly th

Re: [sword-devel] Av11n and coverage

2012-02-12 Thread Ben Morgan
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 8:58 AM, DM Smith wrote: > In the case of synodal it has 100 verses in Daniel 3. Protestant synodal > would be 33 (IIRC). It might need to be at the verse level. > I think frontends should handle missing verses properly themselves, regardless of the scope field (BPBible do

Re: [sword-devel] CrossWire News ain't that new!

2012-02-12 Thread Peter von Kaehne
On 12/02/12 21:08, Jaak Ristioja wrote: > Eeli has been away from BibleTime for more than a year. I didn't know > he was our contact. I will email you privately to sort out the detail. Peter ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http:

Re: [sword-devel] CrossWire News ain't that new!

2012-02-12 Thread David Haslam
Peter, Project members don't just need an account - they may also need help on the nitty gritty of implementing a news feed that works OK on our server. How about adding a wiki page to describe exactly how to? They may have considerable expertise on programming for each project in whatever langu

Re: [sword-devel] mod2zmod

2012-02-12 Thread David Haslam
Greg, They appear in the datapath you specify in the mod2zmod command line. David -- View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/mod2zmod-tp4381520p4382238.html Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ s

Re: [sword-devel] Av11n and coverage

2012-02-12 Thread David Haslam
Corrigendum: The italics in Daniel 3 stop at verse 90. Verses 91-100 are back in normal style. David -- View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/Av11n-and-coverage-tp4265350p4382235.html Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___

Re: [sword-devel] Av11n and coverage

2012-02-12 Thread David Haslam
Hi DM, Your assertion about the Protestant version of the Russian Synodal is noted - but please be aware that the RSP module v3.2 now being officially distributed by IBT with their xulsword based MK Holy Bible software does actually have 100 verses in Daniel 3, and MK displays all of them, albeit

Re: [sword-devel] mod2zmod

2012-02-12 Thread Greg Hellings
On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 3:08 PM, hans wrote: > Hello David > > This is what i found to create a config file > > ./modules/texts/rawtext/mymodule/ > ./modules/texts/ztext/mymodule/ Please take note that mod2zmod will create the zipped files, and you need to actually place them into the directory y

Re: [sword-devel] CrossWire News ain't that new!

2012-02-12 Thread David Haslam
Although the lengthy detailed discussion in the mailing list about the footnote and reference markers has brought up the observation that some publishers have nearly walked away from SWORD because of such unresolved technical issues, I'm rather more inclined to believe that the real reason is that

Re: [sword-devel] lang processing

2012-02-12 Thread Karl Kleinpaste
Daniel Owens writes: > It is an enhancement for the sake of the user experience. !! _*/THERE/*_ !! Far too often we forget this axiom, maxim, principle. ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/

Re: [sword-devel] Av11n and coverage

2012-02-12 Thread DM Smith
In the case of synodal it has 100 verses in Daniel 3. Protestant synodal would be 33 (IIRC). It might need to be at the verse level. In Him, DM Short reply from my phone. On Feb 12, 2012, at 3:53 PM, Peter von Kaehne wrote: > On 12/02/12 20:47, Ben Morgan wrote: >> I'd say that any pre

Re: [sword-devel] lang processing

2012-02-12 Thread David Haslam
Here's my 2 pennyworth as a novice module maker. Specifiying a suitable font is an absolute must for some languages that use non-Latin scripts. cf. I recently submitted a module for the Khmer NT, with a font specified that properly renders zero width spaces with zero width, as well as rendering

Re: [sword-devel] mod2zmod

2012-02-12 Thread David Haslam
Hans, Try adding CompressType=ZIP to the conf. cf. The default for CompressType is LZSS, even though no modules in CrossWire repos actually use that. I'd assume that you specifed a compressType when you ran mod2zmod. i.e. by including the relevant options for blockType and compressType as gi

Re: [sword-devel] proposed patch: adding n=X marker content to footnotes and xrefs

2012-02-12 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
Karl, Just a brief note: On 02/12/2012 10:01 PM, Karl Kleinpaste wrote: > You don't think publishers care whether what you put on the screen bears > an excruciatingly close resemblance to what they encoded in the content > with which you have been entrusted? > > Just...wow. I don't believe that

Re: [sword-devel] CrossWire News ain't that new!

2012-02-12 Thread Jaak Ristioja
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12.02.2012 02:06, Peter von Kaehne wrote: > On Sun, 2012-02-12 at 00:32 +0200, Jaak Ristioja wrote: >> Twice I've written about this issue in this mailing list wishing >> that they'd add news about new BibleTime releases... but no >> avail. > > All

Re: [sword-devel] mod2zmod

2012-02-12 Thread hans
Hello David This is what i found to create a config file ./modules/texts/rawtext/mymodule/ ./modules/texts/ztext/mymodule/ the only difference is i used text while i should have used rawtext -- View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/mod2zmod-tp4381520p4381988.h

Re: [sword-devel] proposed patch: adding n=X marker content to footnotes and xrefs

2012-02-12 Thread Karl Kleinpaste
"Troy A. Griffitts" writes: > Again, I am not arguing against displaying publisher provided labels. > I am arguing against forcing all frontends to display publisher > provided labels. If I were an author/publisher, I would walk away from Sword on that basis alone. I'm not kidding one iota. I (

Re: [sword-devel] proposed patch: adding n=X marker content to footnotes and xrefs

2012-02-12 Thread Karl Kleinpaste
Greg Hellings writes: > You are using Lockman and the NASB as your example because of its > prevalence all over the web. [a] There is indeed an irritating difference between print publication and electronic publication in footnote standards. I argued a bit some years ago with bible.org people ov

Re: [sword-devel] Av11n and coverage

2012-02-12 Thread Peter von Kaehne
On 12/02/12 20:47, Ben Morgan wrote: > I'd say that any precomputed module scope would have to be to chapter > granularity at its finest, and possibly only book granularity. Chapters would sort all doctrinal issues, I would think, with shared versifications. Verses would easily become messy for a

Re: [sword-devel] Av11n and coverage

2012-02-12 Thread Ben Morgan
By having things in the .conf file, frontends can potentially show those details in install manager. That's about the only advantage I can see in having it in the .conf file (excluding any speed issues, which you say are negligible). I'd say that any precomputed module scope would have to be to ch

Re: [sword-devel] mod2zmod

2012-02-12 Thread Hans Quik
Hi Peter Thanks for your response . If i change Rawtext to zText i still have the no entry error. I assume a uncompressed bible needs modrv= Rawtext and a compressed bible needs Ztext so is i use the command " mod2zmod nbg " it is pointing to a uncompressed bible with modrv= Rawtext in the c

Re: [sword-devel] genbooks and commentaries (was: proposed patch: adding n=X marker content to footnotes and xrefs)

2012-02-12 Thread Daniel Owens
Greg is right and Troy is right. :) The need to support specified footnote markers in Bibles is less than for genbooks and commentaries. Implicitly I meant to refer to the latter. Again, this gets back what philosophy of module creation to use. It is fine to separate form and structure as long

Re: [sword-devel] lang processing

2012-02-12 Thread Daniel Owens
Some form of font instructions is beneficial for certain languages to make life easier for non-power users and other situations. Sometimes a front-end does not give the option of configuring fonts. I was getting used to AndBible recently and discovered that the SBLGNT module specified a font an

Re: [sword-devel] mod2zmod

2012-02-12 Thread Peter von Kaehne
While zmods should be indeed stored under ztext (as a convention rather than a "must"), the data path is not your problem. if the module content is in the "wrong" place, pointing via DataPath at the "wrong" place will then of course work again. Your problem is the driver setting. zmods need a di

[sword-devel] mod2zmod

2012-02-12 Thread hans
Hello I created a new bible by using the vpl2mod utility. i tested the result in the sword project and Xiphos both time's it did work. Now i want to compress the bible with mod2zmod but it keeps repeating no entry in module con file is [nbg] DataPath=./modules/texts/text/nbg/ ModDrv=RawText E

Re: [sword-devel] proposed patch: adding n=X marker content to footnotes and xrefs

2012-02-12 Thread Daniel Owens
On 02/11/2012 09:27 AM, Greg Hellings wrote: What I have tried to propose before with CSS, and what Karl has proposed here with footnote and cross-reference notes is that the application ought to provide good defaults (generated cross-reference and footnote markers when they are lacking) but to

Re: [sword-devel] lang processing

2012-02-12 Thread Daniel Owens
Some form of font instructions is beneficial for certain languages to make life easier for non-power users and other situations. The first scenario is obvious—most people would like Hebrew or Greek or whatever to display correctly right out of the box. Incidentally, I had a colleague email me t

Re: [sword-devel] lang processing

2012-02-12 Thread Peter von Kaehne
Just for historical accuracy - the Font property is my doing - it came in with the Persian Bibles about 7 years ago, via Xiphos or BibleDesktop Mea culpa. Peter On 12/02/12 16:19, scribe...@gmail.com wrote: > Thanks for delineating the discussion, DM. > > I would certainly be in favor of discu

Re: [sword-devel] mod2zmod

2012-02-12 Thread David Haslam
See also http://crosswire.org/wiki/DevTools:conf_Files David -- View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/mod2zmod-tp4381520p4381782.html Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ sword-devel mailing lis

Re: [sword-devel] mod2zmod

2012-02-12 Thread David Haslam
Your DataPath property is incorrect! It should be: DataPath=./modules/texts/ztext/nbg/ You omitted the "z". David PS. And yes - a conf file for the ztext and rawtext modules would be different. Moreover, front-ends can get confused if you have two modules with the same name. and Bible Deskto

Re: [sword-devel] lang processing (was: proposed patch: adding n=X marker content to footnotes and xrefs)

2012-02-12 Thread scribe...@gmail.com
Thanks for delineating the discussion, DM. I would certainly be in favor of discussing the possible enhancement to our filters (or import tools) for providing language span tags around segments of language text not included in the default module language unicode plane, per the BPBible team's su

Re: [sword-devel] Av11n and coverage

2012-02-12 Thread scribe...@gmail.com
Right, this opens up all kinds of discussion, as you point out. * if we have scope= in the .conf, what does this mean? Author intent? What does that mean? A checksum for their actual content (I don't like this) An entire sub- v11n definition (I don't like this) Simply a cache of the deri

Re: [sword-devel] proposed patch: adding n=X marker content to footnotes and xrefs

2012-02-12 Thread DM Smith
This has evolved a bit from the original question: should the engine provide direct support for n="X" footnote markers. The answer to that was yes and it was implemented as an optional change. We've digressed into several distinct discussions. Here are my comments on them: 1) What is the importan

Re: [sword-devel] Av11n and coverage

2012-02-12 Thread Jonathan Morgan
Hi Troy, On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 7:39 AM, Troy A. Griffitts wrote: > Hey guys. I'm remember this thread from a while back am to lazy to go > back and look. > > Please remind me why we want a .conf entry and not a call like: > > SWMgr library; > SWModule *kjv = kjv = library.getModule("KJV"); > V

Re: [sword-devel] proposed patch: adding n=X marker content to footnotes and xrefs

2012-02-12 Thread Jonathan Morgan
Hi, On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 10:16 PM, Peter von Kaehne wrote: > On 12/02/12 04:27, Greg Hellings wrote: > > Still more of it was very > > important for display - selection of different fonts for Greek vs > > Hebrew vs Aramaic displays. > I do not follow the general discussion very much - but thi

Re: [sword-devel] BPBible 0.5.1 released

2012-02-12 Thread Jonathan Morgan
Hi Dave, Thanks for the report. This error would occur whenever there were no Bibles installed (a surprisingly easy thing to break). I have uploaded a 0.5.1.1 release to fix this issue and one other issue that was reported to me concerning links between StrongsRealGreek and StrongsRealHebrew. J

Re: [sword-devel] proposed patch: adding n=X marker content to footnotes and xrefs

2012-02-12 Thread Peter von Kaehne
On 12/02/12 04:27, Greg Hellings wrote: > Still more of it was very > important for display - selection of different fonts for Greek vs > Hebrew vs Aramaic displays. I do not follow the general discussion very much - but this really got my notice. I think the current Font item in the configuration