Re: [sword-devel] Sword OSIS quotation mark handling question

2007-04-30 Thread Kahunapule Michael Johnson
So... it sounds like I could simply convert USFM to OSIS with the obvious conversions (like \p ... -> ...) plus \qt -> \qt* -> \wj -> \wj* -> << -> (unless at the beginning of a paragraph with an unended quotation in progress, then >> -> < -> (unless at the beginning of a paragraph with an

Re: [sword-devel] Sword OSIS quotation mark handling question

2007-04-30 Thread Chris Little
That's good. Searching through the WG list, the closest I could find was an email that seemed to imply to me that we had dumped special markup for OT passages entirely--in favor of a with an osisRef pointing to somewhere in the OT. I'm glad that didn't make it to any release. :) Now I remembe

Re: [sword-devel] Sword OSIS quotation mark handling question

2007-04-30 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
Thanks for the memory jogger, Chris. I think the debate in the WG was the desire to use when alluding to OT passages, which I adamantly opposed, as it would seem to imply a linguistic structure equivalent to: And in Psalm 119 it says, "." When in fact, the NT authors often only allude to

Re: [sword-devel] Sword OSIS quotation mark handling question

2007-04-30 Thread DM Smith
On Apr 30, 2007, at 6:57 PM, Chris Little wrote: > > > Kahunapule Michael Johnson wrote: >> The same >> technique would be useful for translating the USFM \qt ...\qt* markup >> (which is marked verse-by-verse to indicate OT quotes in the NT) >> to > marker="" who="OT" sID="somethingunique">...>

Re: [sword-devel] Sword OSIS quotation mark handling question

2007-04-30 Thread Chris Little
Kahunapule Michael Johnson wrote: > The same > technique would be useful for translating the USFM \qt ...\qt* markup > (which is marked verse-by-verse to indicate OT quotes in the NT) to marker="" who="OT" sID="somethingunique">... eID="somethingunique">. If you regard this as acceptable, then

Re: [sword-devel] Sword OSIS quotation mark handling question

2007-04-30 Thread DM Smith
Kahunapule Michael Johnson wrote: > DM Smith wrote: >> Kahunapule Michael Johnson wrote: >> >>> How does the Sword project handle display of OSIS text quotations when: >>> 1. the or element is used without a marker attribute, >>> >>> >> The speech element is not handled, except to proc

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS markup

2007-04-30 Thread Kahunapule Michael Johnson
Chris Little wrote: > I know XML allows for empty attribute values, but I'm not sure whether > they are formally equivalent to no attribute at all. > No, actually there is nothing in XML that specifies such an equivalence. It is the semantics of the particular application that determine that. I

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS markup

2007-04-30 Thread DM Smith
Chris Little wrote: > DM Smith wrote: > 4) Use milestoned version of the element and close the element by changing the publisher's material, adding an ellipsis. Lit saying, >>> > The ... > >>> The added ellipsis would be bad, but if marker="" is not

Re: [sword-devel] Sword OSIS quotation mark handling question

2007-04-30 Thread Kahunapule Michael Johnson
DM Smith wrote: Kahunapule Michael Johnson wrote: How does the Sword project handle display of OSIS text quotations when: 1. the or element is used without a marker attribute, The speech element is not handled, except to process its content. It is as if the element

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS markup

2007-04-30 Thread Chris Little
DM Smith wrote: >>> 4) Use milestoned version of the element and close the element by >>> changing the publisher's material, adding an ellipsis. >>> Lit saying, >>> The ... >> The added ellipsis would be bad, but if marker="" is not equivalent to >> no marker attribute, then that would be a

Re: [sword-devel] Sword OSIS quotation mark handling question

2007-04-30 Thread Kahunapule Michael Johnson
Karl Kleinpaste wrote: > One thing I have to observe is that even your mail message here came > across claiming a character set of "windows-1252". There is also > -1251 and possibly a couple others. These are very nonstandard, > Microsoft-only encodings where \221 thru \227 (in particular) have >

Re: [sword-devel] Sword OSIS quotation mark handling question

2007-04-30 Thread DM Smith
Kahunapule Michael Johnson wrote: > How does the Sword project handle display of OSIS text quotations when: > 1. the or element is used without a marker attribute, > The speech element is not handled, except to process its content. It is as if the element were not in the text at all. I think

Re: [sword-devel] Sword OSIS quotation mark handling question

2007-04-30 Thread Karl Kleinpaste
One thing I have to observe is that even your mail message here came across claiming a character set of "windows-1252". There is also -1251 and possibly a couple others. These are very nonstandard, Microsoft-only encodings where \221 thru \227 (in particular) have quotation/apostrophe/ellipsis ma

[sword-devel] Sword OSIS quotation mark handling question

2007-04-30 Thread Kahunapule Michael Johnson
How does the Sword project handle display of OSIS text quotations when: 1. the or element is used without a marker attribute, 2. the or element is used with a marker attribute, 3. no or elements appear, or 4. quotation punctuation (“, ‘, ’, ”, «, », —, newline, etc.) appears outside of or e

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS markup

2007-04-30 Thread Kahunapule Michael Johnson
DM Smith wrote: > In XML any attribute can have an empty value (btw, there is a unicode > close quote above) and Sword/JSword handle it properly. > > But you have given me the idea to use an empty marker attribute for > the eID milestone as in: > The > That should work. :-) Of course, just n

Re: [sword-devel] Accented Greek text

2007-04-30 Thread Matt Reimer
On 4/29/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi, > > The accented Greek New Testament text is available from > http://morphgnt.org/projects/ccat-morphgnt > This is in word per line format, with morphology. > (It is not a SWORD module.) Check this mailing list's archive for a scri

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS markup

2007-04-30 Thread DM Smith
On Apr 30, 2007, at 2:10 AM, Troy A. Griffitts wrote: > DM, if you really intend below to say 'reiterates', and if I remember > correctly, the intended OSIS tagging would be to use > (which > I'm not sure if SWORD supports yet) instead of , but from your > example, I don't think "Lit." usually

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS markup

2007-04-30 Thread DM Smith
On Apr 30, 2007, at 2:24 AM, Chris Little wrote: > > > DM Smith wrote: >> What is the proper way to markup a note that reiterates only a part >> of a verse and that part is the start of a quotation which use in >> the verse? >> >> Example: >> The note is: (where {} indicate italics) >> Lit {sayin

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS markup

2007-04-30 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
Chris Little wrote: >> Lit saying,“The > > I think this would be my choice. Quote marks are perfectly valid in > OSIS, you're just supposed to mark actual quotations with . Since > this isn't an actual quotation, it seems valid to just use the mark itself. Actually, I've reconsidered and a

Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod

2007-04-30 Thread Chris Little
Troy A. Griffitts wrote: > The other benefit of using the basic SWORD API when processing XML is > that we might find bugs when using it for processing the input (which, I > believe DM might have found with his 3 tag example, though I always > thought > had to be escaped to > Can someone chec