Re: [sword-devel] New error on building CVS of Sword

2003-02-22 Thread Steven P. Ulrick
On Sat, 22 Feb 2003 14:31:48 -0700 "Troy A. Griffitts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Steven, > I believe your initial problem was that someone hadn't added 2 > new > filters to the unix make system, although they were referenced in > SWMgr. > > Your current problem is that CVS H

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread Joe Walker
Troy A. Griffitts wrote: Joe, jsword is an option to solve this problem if jsp is the httpd plugin, but I'm not quite sure jsword is there yet, and if I'm wrong, I'm pretty sure the sword-like api interface isn't close, right? Creating a Sword like API will be very trivial. Seriously - tell me w

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread Chris Little
On Sat, 22 Feb 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > :( :( :( very very very western kind of thinking. Don't know how you come out > that number. (90% and 98%). English user is less than 30% of the total > Internet users these days. And Latin * charset users is < 70% of the Internet > users these day

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread Matthew Donadio
"Don A. Elbourne Jr." wrote: > I'm not a big fan of JavaScript. I try to avoid it wherever possible, but > like you said, we may want some features that require it. You mentioned > hover popups for strongs numbers. I am fairly sure this would cause compatability problems with older browsers. You

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
That's pretty cool! :) I didn't know you could do that. Could we put very much text in there? I was thinking more along the lines of like ~20 word strongs definition. Don A. Elbourne Jr. wrote: Troy, I'm not a big fan of JavaScript. I try to avoid it wherever possible, but like you said, we

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread Matthew Donadio
YTang0648 wrote: What is this web interface really target to? what can we do to make this one differ from the rest of Bible site which is already there if cannot use those W3C standards? I really don't believe it is possible to serve blind people Bible without rewrite the UI. Will those text brows

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread Matthew Donadio
(again, please send emails in plain text) YTang0648 wrote: Netscape start to support JavaScript since 2.0. JavaScript itself is never the reason cause those problem (beside people turn it off). The problem is on Netscape 4.7, IE5 or Mac IE is the level of DOM support. You are completed confused

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread Matthew Donadio
"Troy A. Griffitts" wrote: > (WHAT IS ECMAScript?). ECMAScript (EMCA-262) is the official standard for JavaScript. http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/ECMA-262.HTM -- Matthew Donadio ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ___ sword-devel mailing lis

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread YTang0648
In a message dated 2/22/2003 6:40:46 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >Does those text browser support UTF-8, Greek and Hebrew? lynx supports UTF-8 just fine.  Greek / Hebrew would depend on whether the user has fonts and other things set up correctly for it. Most users don't

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread YTang0648
In a message dated 2/22/2003 3:43:22 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Agreed, no frames. :( What is this web interface really target to? what can we do to make this one differ from the rest of Bible site which is already there if cannot use those W3C standards? I really don't b

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread Don A. Elbourne Jr.
Troy, I'm not a big fan of JavaScript. I try to avoid it wherever possible, but like you said, we may want some features that require it. You mentioned hover popups for strongs numbers. One option here instead of JavaScript would be to use the "title" attribute of the href tag. I created a little

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread Chris Little
On Sat, 22 Feb 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Does those text browser support UTF-8, Greek and Hebrew? lynx supports UTF-8 just fine. Greek / Hebrew would depend on whether the user has fonts and other things set up correctly for it. Most users don't care about that though. 90% of users will

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread YTang0648
In a message dated 2/22/2003 1:32:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It seems you are not entirely informed. PHP can be completely transparant. Wether or not valid HTML/XHTML/ is generated is the programmers responsibility. But _javascript_ is not an option for anyone us

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread YTang0648
In a message dated 2/22/2003 12:57:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As far as I know there are no text based browsers which support _javascript_ at the moment. Does those text browser support UTF-8, Greek and Hebrew? Some people use a text mode browser through text termin

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
Wow, thanks for all the traffic! I'm still really looking for user interface ideas (thanks for the ones that have been expressed). The calls to get the data from sword will be dependent on the dynamic server-side mechanism used; coming up with an easy access mechanism to the sword engine from

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread YTang0648
In a message dated 2/22/2003 12:37:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: yes it is server side only, so I don't know how it would affect the different browsers either. No body ever say it will affect browsers

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread YTang0648
In a message dated 2/22/2003 12:31:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The problem is that there are a fair number of people who are people who are still using older browsers, especially outside of the US.  I use IE5.5 because I never bothered to upgrade from Win95.  I have clie

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread Klaus R. H. Walther
Hello, Am Samstag, 22. Februar 2003 20:40 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > add ECMAScript, DOM Level 1, DOM Level 2, and UTF-8 at least please. about once a week I get information about a security hole in a browser (IE, Netscape, mozilla, opera, ...) In most cases the hole is in the dynamic part.

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread Hugo van der Kooij
On Sat, 22 Feb 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In a message dated 2/22/2003 8:08:24 AM Pacific Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > PHP is given out free, the same GPL style as we have but different, there > > are many details to it. PHP is made for many different types of servers a

Re: [sword-devel] New error on building CVS of Sword

2003-02-22 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
Steven, I believe your initial problem was that someone hadn't added 2 new filters to the unix make system, although they were referenced in SWMgr. Your current problem is that CVS HEAD is currently torn appart to replace an inadequate component that was used everywhere. We're currently in t

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread Eeli Kaikkonen
> I am not agaist the use of php. I am simply against the "no JavaScript > please" because my browser do not support it request. > > Which TEXT based browser do not support JavaScript? As far as I know there are no text based browsers which support javascript at the moment. Some people use a te

RE: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread Daniel Adams
You just point out part of the reason why I am extremely for using PHP, in addition to whatever else. My desire is to be able to use an external PHP script and Link in to individual parts, and yes it is server side only, so I don't know how it would affect the different browsers either. By the Gra

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread Matthew Donadio
(please send email to mailing lists in plain text format...) YTang0648 wrote: A browser which support ECMAScript/JavaScript which called Mozilla is also given out free, a different open source license, MPL, is with it. Mozilla is made for many different types of client OS and is very common too.

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread YTang0648
In a message dated 2/22/2003 8:08:24 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: PHP is given out free, the same GPL style as we have but different, there are many details to it. PHP is made for many different types of servers and is very common.   By the Grace of God, A browser which s

Re: [sword-devel] where to get raw text

2003-02-22 Thread YTang0648
In a message dated 2/22/2003 7:37:29 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anyone: where would one go to acquire raw text to build modules?  Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. ray I think you need to at least first identify which version of translation you want to build

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface - Word Study

2003-02-22 Thread YTang0648
In a message dated 2/22/2003 7:31:17 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Another feature, similar to the "passage study" I presented in the other email would be a "word study." This could take advantage of your KJV2003. The user could input a passage and be given a list of links fo

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread YTang0648
In a message dated 2/22/2003 7:01:38 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >>Therefore, if you want to talk about standard, you really need to DEFINE the set of standards you are talking about. I did. XHTML and CSS. http://www.w3.org/ http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/ http://www.w3.or

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread YTang0648
ok... I have one new request for the web interface All the result should be abel to access through a GET url. We should not use POST with we try to GET thing. This is important so people can LINK against such result outside the system. All the actions of retriving data from the SWORD is to GET

RE: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread Daniel Adams
Title: Message PHP is given out free, the same GPL style as we have but different, there are many details to it. PHP is made for many different types of servers and is very common.   By the Grace of God, Dan Adams - [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://dana.ucc.nau.edu/~dpa3  1 Peter 4:10 (NIV)-  Each

Re: [sword-devel] where to get raw text

2003-02-22 Thread Don A. Elbourne Jr.
Do you mean for general books or Bible texts? For Bible texts other than what is already available, you are on your own. But for general books, some suggestions: http://ccel.org http://spurgeon.org http://www.jonathanedwards.com/ http://www.johnbunyan.org/ http://promo.net/pg/ by grace alone, D

[sword-devel] where to get raw text

2003-02-22 Thread Ray Ellerd
Anyone: where would one go to acquire raw text to build modules? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. ray ___ sword-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface - Passage Study

2003-02-22 Thread Don A. Elbourne Jr.
Troy, One feature that I would like to see would be, for lack of a better title, "Passage Study." Here is how it would work for the user: Let's say someone wants to do a study of Romans 8:28-30. They could input this reference into a form field and be presented with a list of grouped links. The li

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface - Word Study

2003-02-22 Thread Don A. Elbourne Jr.
Another feature, similar to the "passage study" I presented in the other email would be a "word study." This could take advantage of your KJV2003. The user could input a passage and be given a list of links for every Greek word found in the passage with either the full text of the entry for the wor

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread Don A. Elbourne Jr.
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface >>Therefore, if you want to talk about standard, you really need to DEFINE the set of standards you are talking about. I did. XHTML and CSS.

Re: [sword-devel] New error on building CVS of Sword

2003-02-22 Thread Chris Little
On Sat, 22 Feb 2003, Steven P. Ulrick wrote: > If this problem won't be corrected until the issues that Troy refers to > in the thread "NEED A HAND" are resolved (In that thread, he said the > CVS is broken. The only reason I keep bothering you with this is > because even though I haven't heard t

[sword-devel] Suggestion: sword-user Mailing List

2003-02-22 Thread Jeffrey Thompson
I am a new excited user of the Sword Project and associated modules.  My primary identification with the Sword Project is a user, not a developer (even though I have a programming background and run on Linux ). But you may find it useful to separate the Sword Project user community from the de

Re: [sword-devel] NEED A HAND

2003-02-22 Thread Joachim Ansorg
Troy, I tried to convert utf8bidireorder.cpp to the new SWBuf stuff. But it uses maxlen to call some of the ICU functions. I'm not sure what to do here. And I'm not sure if it's ok to pass text.c_str() as parameter to some ICU convert functions, because I don't know how you did SWBuf. I committ

[sword-devel] New error on building CVS of Sword

2003-02-22 Thread Steven P. Ulrick
Hello, again, Everyone :) I hate to be a bother again, but now I'm getting a new error when I try to "make" the CVS of Sword. I haven't received a response on my last 3 requests for help on this problem, so I thought I'd just keep trying, and report any new errors as they occured. Please refer to

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread Joe Walker
Just a quick note in case anyone wasn't aware - you can already use Sword on the web via JSword. There is a servlet/jsp front end which was easy to develop. You can see a demo here: http://www.crosswire.org/jsword/demo Joe. ___ sword-devel mailing li

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread YTang0648
In a message dated 2/21/2003 10:18:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >How about more capable searching? :-) I agree with this suggestion...  I've often found that I may try to search for a specific phrase and it would not come up, even though I would be looking at the exact t

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread YTang0648
In a message dated 2/21/2003 10:08:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How about more capable searching? :-) Could you be explicit about what you are talking about? What do you mean "more capable"?

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread YTang0648
In a message dated 2/21/2003 9:03:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In terms of underlying implementation, I would (not too surprisingly) suggest something similar to diatheke--that is, written in C.  It allows easy porting to different platforms and between CGI, ISAPI, and

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread YTang0648
In a message dated 2/21/2003 4:02:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I guess I didn't catch this one, but PHP which I suggested earlier can output whatever you choose. PHP is server side code/processing. But which SERVER support php? Your apach server may support php but if s

Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

2003-02-22 Thread YTang0648
In a message dated 2/21/2003 3:51:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh no, please, no _javascript_! I use text mode browsers often. Modern text mode browsers can handle even tables ands frames, but not _javascript_. ECMAScript IS standard. DOM is standard so... what is