[Sursound] PotLuck Audio

2013-06-17 Thread Eric Carmichel
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Re: [Sursound] Eigenmike (Fons Adriaensen)

2013-06-17 Thread Stefan Schreiber
For clarification: Could the eigenmike also do some 4th order recording (in a "real" sense, not giving some 4th order "output"), or is it a 3rd order microphone? Thanks, Stefan Fons Adriaensen wrote: On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 09:21:55PM +0100, Paul Power wrote: so it seems that the mi

Re: [Sursound] Eigenmike

2013-06-17 Thread Martin Leese
Stefan Schreiber wrote: > For clarification: > > Could the eigenmike also do some 4th order recording (in a "real" sense, > not giving some 4th order "output"), or is it a 3rd order microphone? When the em32 Eigenmike was in prototype form, mh acoustics promoted it as up to fourth-order (although

Re: [Sursound] Eigenmike (Fons Adriaensen)

2013-06-17 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 06/17/2013 05:52 PM, Stefan Schreiber wrote: For clarification: Could the eigenmike also do some 4th order recording (in a "real" sense, not giving some 4th order "output"), or is it a 3rd order microphone? with 32 capsules, the eigenmike is capable of measuring the full set of fourth-orde

Re: [Sursound] Eigenmike (Fons Adriaensen)

2013-06-17 Thread Stefan Schreiber
Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: On 06/17/2013 05:52 PM, Stefan Schreiber wrote: For clarification: Could the eigenmike also do some 4th order recording (in a "real" sense, not giving some 4th order "output"), or is it a 3rd order microphone? with 32 capsules, the eigenmike is capable of measurin

Re: [Sursound] Eigenmike (Fons Adriaensen)

2013-06-17 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On 2013-06-17, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: with 32 capsules, the eigenmike is capable of measuring the full set of fourth-order harmonics, but only with limited bandwidth. When you go from the tight confines of a classical SoundField to a general cloud of mics, there's not just one but three se

Re: [Sursound] Eigenmike (Fons Adriaensen)

2013-06-17 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 06/17/2013 11:22 PM, Sampo Syreeni wrote: On 2013-06-17, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote that's the main problem with the eigenmike: the higher the order, the narrower the bandwidth and the higher the lower boundary. which means that an eigenmike signal set will not usually be downwards-compatible

Re: [Sursound] Eigenmike (Fons Adriaensen)

2013-06-17 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 10:24:58PM +0200, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: > that's the main problem with the eigenmike: the higher the order, > the narrower the bandwidth and the higher the lower boundary. which > means that an eigenmike signal set will not usually be > downwards-compatible - if you aim

Re: [Sursound] Eigenmike (Fons Adriaensen)

2013-06-17 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 12:22:00AM +0300, Sampo Syreeni wrote: > How does that happen? Okay, it might be that the usable frequency > range changes, but once you've done equalizing in the A to B step, > don't you then always get just a B-format set which you then decode > at your target order? As

Re: [Sursound] Eigenmike (Fons Adriaensen)

2013-06-17 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On 2013-06-17, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: deriving low-frequency, high-order information from tightly packed capsules (i.e. capsule distance small compared to wavelength) requires ridiculous amounts of gain. Yes. I referred to that as the A-to-B noise amplification problem within the matrix.

Re: [Sursound] Eigenmike (Fons Adriaensen)

2013-06-17 Thread Eric Benjamin
The eigenmike is supplied with a software application called EigenStudio, which allows the user to output various beams with selectable directivity.  Those outputs aren't, or mostly aren't spherical harmonics.  Instead, one has available cardioid, hypercardioid and supercardioid outputs up to 3r