[Sursound] OT: Spatial music

2012-04-01 Thread Paul Hodges
--On 31 March 2012 18:34 -0700 Robert Greene wrote: Of course music exists that is not in front. But the vast bulk of concert music is not like that. Sure; but what proportion of music are we happy to be unable to reproduce properly? My organ music (admittedly as much as 20% of my listenin

[Sursound] Question about directional bands

2012-04-01 Thread Augustine Leudar
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Re: [Sursound] Question about directional bands

2012-04-01 Thread Robert Greene
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Re: [Sursound] OT: Spatial music

2012-04-01 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
On Sun, April 1, 2012 5:20 am, Paul Hodges wrote: > Sure; but what proportion of music are we happy to be unable to reproduce > properly? My organ music (admittedly as much as 20% of my listening) was a > trivial example - and it's only in combination with other things that it > becomes spatially

Re: [Sursound] Question about directional bands

2012-04-01 Thread Richard Dobson
Out of interest - what research has been done on this where the listeners were lying down? Do they hear such sounds still as "above", or behind their heads? And, in the same vein, one the degree of such perception with respect to intensity? Richard Dobson On 01/04/2012 12:56, Robert Greene

Re: [Sursound] Question about directional bands

2012-04-01 Thread Eero Aro
Richard Dobson wrote: Out of interest - what research has been done on this where the listeners were lying down? The subject is not my area, but I know of an old paper: James Lackner: Influence of Posture on the Spatial Localization of Sound http://www.aes.org/e-lib/browse.cfm?elib=4554 Eero

Re: [Sursound] Question about directional bands

2012-04-01 Thread Richard Dobson
Thanks for the ref. Pity, it is AES, which I am not a member of, and $20 is a lot to pay for a 29-yr-old paper of mostly anecdotal interest :-( Richard Dobson On 01/04/2012 13:36, Eero Aro wrote: Richard Dobson wrote: Out of interest - what research has been done on this where the listeners w

Re: [Sursound] Can anyone help with my dissertation please?

2012-04-01 Thread Newmedia
quot; in psychological terms. Now we can "play with" sounds . . . which is of course what electronic music, home studios and, I suspect, this mailing list are all about. Yes, this also begs the question of what then become the new "ground" of our experience! Mark S

Re: [Sursound] Can anyone help with my dissertation please?

2012-04-01 Thread Newmedia
y pursued this goal, did anyone ever seriously try to tackle the center speaker issue for music? Mark Stahlman Brooklyn NY -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/201204

Re: [Sursound] Question about directional bands

2012-04-01 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 04/01/2012 11:55 AM, Augustine Leudar wrote: I am getting a many opinions on this as possible and I have now heard various answers. It specifically relates to boosted band and, in this scenario, elevation cues in the median plane . Blauert's 1969 experiment showed that if an if a narrow band n

Re: [Sursound] Can anyone help with my dissertation please?

2012-04-01 Thread Robert Greene
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Re: [Sursound] Can anyone help with my dissertation please?

2012-04-01 Thread David Pickett
There are quite a few free downloadable files on the 2l.no website that are worth exploring. Not Ambisonic, but good sound and exciting playing. A pity the website is not easier to navigate. There is a mini drop down menu at the top. Click on "Test Bench HD audio files". David At 17:00 31

Re: [Sursound] Can anyone help with my dissertation please?

2012-04-01 Thread David Pickett
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Re: [Sursound] OT: Spatial music

2012-04-01 Thread Eero Aro
Hi A pity the website is not easier to navigate Yes, they have made it as difficult as possible.. Here is a more clear site of the Immortal Nysted record: http://www.2l.musiconline.no/shop/displayAlbum.asp?id=29968 The last track, Immortal Bach is one of the best 5.0 recordings I have ever h

Re: [Sursound] Can anyone help with my dissertation please?

2012-04-01 Thread Augustine Leudar
again to anyone who says things like "ambisonics cant compete with 5.1 please bear in mind this is like saying "amplitude panning can't compete with 5.1 - it doesnt make any sense at all. You mix your tracks horizontally ,without elevation, using ambisonics plugins and burn your ac3/dts file like a

[Sursound] POA/HOA vs 5.1

2012-04-01 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 04/01/2012 09:05 PM, Augustine Leudar wrote: again to anyone who says things like "ambisonics cant compete with 5.1 please bear in mind this is like saying "amplitude panning can't compete with 5.1 - it doesnt make any sense at all. You mix your tracks horizontally ,without elevation, using am

Re: [Sursound] Can anyone help with my dissertation please?

2012-04-01 Thread Robert Greene
I don't think anyone thinks that! What people do think is that Ambisonics needs some sort of commercial accesibility-- which it could get if discs were put out that provided not abstract Ambisonics as it were but Ambisonics as decoded to the 5.1 set up. The message was that no one (statistically

Re: [Sursound] Can anyone help with my dissertation please?

2012-04-01 Thread Neil Waterman
I agree totally with Robert here. Most of my work mates have 5.1 set-ups at home, but would never be bothered to have anything that required more thought, so bring on the 5.1 mixes of ambisonic source material and at least let the masses get a listen. Cheers, Neil On 4/1/2012 6:44 PM, Rober

Re: [Sursound] Can anyone help with my dissertation please?

2012-04-01 Thread David Pickett
At 18:28 01/04/2012, Neil Waterman wrote: I agree totally with Robert here. Most of my work mates have 5.1 set-ups at home, but would never be bothered to have anything that required more thought, so bring on the 5.1 mixes of ambisonic source material and at least let the masses get a listen

Re: [Sursound] Can anyone help with my dissertation please?

2012-04-01 Thread Robert Greene
OK I thought that was a good idea, for people to say what they thought was good and not good about Ambisonics. So here I go(first I guess but my mother always said Act in haste, repent at leisure. I think she meant it as cautionary but I have always taken it as advisory!). Good 1 Elegant as math

Re: [Sursound] Can anyone help with my dissertation please?

2012-04-01 Thread Aaron Heller
Um. Every single recording on Ambisonia was available as a DTS-CD RIFF/WAV file of a 4.0 decode (that is, Center and LFE were silent). All one needed to do was burn them to a CD and play in a DVD player connected to a 5.1 home theater set up. See Richard Elen's article "Getting Ambisoni