Re: [Sursound] Previously un-noted UHJ recordings

2011-07-26 Thread Richard
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Re: [Sursound] Distance perception

2011-07-26 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 07/26/2011 02:18 AM, Marc Lavallée wrote: Imagine two rooms with proper acoustic characteristics and treatments for ambisonics reproduction: the first is 3mX4m and the other is four times larger in surface (9mX12m). In both rooms there's a horizontal hexagon of speakers, and 5 speakers are ag

Re: [Sursound] Distance perception

2011-07-26 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
sorry, itchy trigger finger... On 07/26/2011 10:14 AM, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: as mentioned before, the floor reflection is a very strong distance cue at close range under semi-anechoic conditions (i.e. if you want to gauge the distance of that sabre-toothed tiger or the potential mating cand

Re: [Sursound] Distance perception

2011-07-26 Thread Marc Lavallée
Tue, 26 Jul 2011 10:14:50 +0200, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote : > regardless of room size, they will require a bit of equalisation. if > the speakers are designed to be close to a boundary surface, the one > that's not against a wall needs (gentle) bass boost. vice versa, if > your speakers are desig

Re: [Sursound] Distance perception

2011-07-26 Thread Aaron Heller
Some papers that may be of interest: Takahashi, "A Novel View of Hearing in Reverberation," Neuron, Volume 62, Issue 1, 6-7, 16 April 2009 doi:10.1016/j.neuron.2009.04.004 Devore, et al., "Accurate Sound Localization in Reverberant Environments Is Mediated by Robust Encoding of Spatial Cues in th

Re: [Sursound] Distance perception

2011-07-26 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 04:35:39PM -0400, Marc Lavallée wrote: > I will do it in software. It's a domestic setup, so I don't need > expensive active speakers and cabling; I prefer to use very small > speakers with lamp cords. Lamp cords ? Use at least 2.5 mm^2 ! > > the problem is that your li

Re: [Sursound] Distance perception

2011-07-26 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 07/26/2011 10:58 PM, Aaron Heller wrote: Some papers that may be of interest: <..> Antje Ihlefeld and Barbara G. Shinn-Cunningham, "Effect of source spectrum on sound localization in an everyday reverberant room," J. Acoust. Soc. Am. Volume 130, Issue 1, pp. 324-333 (2011) http://dx.doi.or

Re: [Sursound] Distance perception

2011-07-26 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On 2011-07-26, Fons Adriaensen wrote: Lamp cords ? Use at least 2.5 mm^2 ! Where does this come from? I've never though cable geometry matters much at all, unless your pumping so much power through a cable over such a long distance that you have to worry about ohmic heating and the like. An

Re: [Sursound] Distance perception

2011-07-26 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 01:16:59AM +0300, Sampo Syreeni wrote: > On 2011-07-26, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > >> Lamp cords ? Use at least 2.5 mm^2 ! > > Where does this come from? I've never though cable geometry matters much > at all, unless your pumping so much power through a cable over such a >

Re: [Sursound] Distance perception

2011-07-26 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On 2011-07-27, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: my gut feeling had always been that in the presence of HF cues, you can get away with sloppy LF cues (as in, drive all your subs in mono for maximum ooomph, but the kick sound of the kick drum will make sure it's localised properly). maybe i was wrong.

Re: [Sursound] Distance perception

2011-07-26 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On 2011-07-26, Fons Adriaensen wrote: I certainly don't want you to waste your money on fancy speaker cables. Never thought otherwise. That's obviously never been what we do here. ;) But resistance does matter, so a good cross section such as 2.5 mm^2 puts you on the safe side. What I was

Re: [Sursound] Distance perception

2011-07-26 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 07/27/2011 12:41 AM, Sampo Syreeni wrote: On 2011-07-26, Fons Adriaensen wrote: I certainly don't want you to waste your money on fancy speaker cables. Never thought otherwise. That's obviously never been what we do here. ;) But resistance does matter, so a good cross section such as 2.5

Re: [Sursound] Distance perception

2011-07-26 Thread Marc Lavallée
Tue, 26 Jul 2011 21:32:26 +, Fons Adriaensen wrote : > Lamp cords ? Use at least 2.5 mm^2 ! I'll use less than 10 meters of cabling to drive 10W max in each tiny 6 ohms speaker. So I'm not worried at all. Gauge 14 or 16 should be fine: http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm > The thing

Re: [Sursound] speaker cable resistance [was Distance perception]

2011-07-26 Thread Neil & Marcia Adams
Am I right in thinking that the resistive component of the speaker's impedance is effectively in series with its inductance? Say, 5 ohms for an 8 ohm speaker? If so cable resistance is not so frightening for domestic runs. It's not so difficult to provide negative output impedance to counter

Re: [Sursound] speaker cable resistance [was Distance perception]

2011-07-26 Thread Robert Greene
If you do not do something tricky with the amplifier-- and no commercial consumer audio amplifier intended for universal use does this trickiness, or none I am aware of-- then the cable impedance operates as part of the amplifier output impedance. This means that the amplifier will not be flat in

Re: [Sursound] Distance perception

2011-07-26 Thread Bill de Garis
On 26/07/11 3:41 p.m., Sampo Syreeni wrote: On 2011-07-26, Fons Adriaensen wrote: I certainly don't want you to waste your money on fancy speaker cables. Never thought otherwise. That's obviously never been what we do here. ;) But resistance does matter, so a good cross section such as 2.5 mm^