Re: [Sursound] the power of doppler shift illusion

2013-02-27 Thread etienne deleflie
Another point that is interesting, in considering the cognitive dimension of spatial perception, is that some processes involve the identification of a sounding object, and some do not. The recognition of an over-simplified mono reverb algorithm, as an "Icon" of the sound of a large space, require

Re: [Sursound] the power of doppler shift illusion

2013-02-27 Thread Martin Leese
Augustine Leudar wrote: ... > The sounds and settings have to > be convincing enough, believable enough, for cognitive effects to work - > then you can get away with all sorts of acoustic inaccuracies - thats why I > think so many sound installations in galleries leave me cold - you can see > all t

Re: [Sursound] the power of doppler shift illusion

2013-02-27 Thread Peter Lennox
: Surround Sound discussion group Subject: Re: [Sursound] the power of doppler shift illusion Hi Dave, The paper Blauert cites is by Gardener, M.B (1969) ... this one: http://asadl.org/jasa/resource/1/jasman/v45/i1/p47_s1?isAuthorized=no (I dont have access to it right now) The abstract says the

Re: [Sursound] the power of doppler shift illusion

2013-02-27 Thread Augustine Leudar
I used whispers in a sound installations quite often . We had several PA speakers hidden around the trees and amongst other things whispers were on the soundscape (in the darkness) . I dont really recall any proximity illusions being created but I had the whispers at the volume that was not a lot l

Re: [Sursound] the power of doppler shift illusion

2013-02-27 Thread etienne deleflie
Hi Dave, The paper Blauert cites is by Gardener, M.B (1969) ... this one: http://asadl.org/jasa/resource/1/jasman/v45/i1/p47_s1?isAuthorized=no (I dont have access to it right now) The abstract says the experiment included the use of both loudspeakers and voices. Blauert's wording suggests he i

Re: [Sursound] the power of doppler shift illusion

2013-02-26 Thread Dave Malham
Hi, I don't have Blauert handy unfortunately, so perhaps someone could enlighten me about how the study mentioned was conducted - real whisperers or recordings? It pretty well has to be recordings - because otherwise a whisper at 9 metres would pretty well be inaudible (that being the whole poin

Re: [Sursound] the power of doppler shift illusion

2013-02-26 Thread etienne deleflie
> > > > Semiotic frameworks such as that of Charles Peirce indicate that > > references > > (or signs) work in different ways. For example, mono reverb acts as an > > "icon" (that is, it is similar to) the experience of large spaces. > Whereas > > the recording of hair clippers acts as an "index" o

Re: [Sursound] the power of doppler shift illusion

2013-02-25 Thread Michael Chapman
> > Semiotic frameworks such as that of Charles Peirce indicate that > references > (or signs) work in different ways. For example, mono reverb acts as an > "icon" (that is, it is similar to) the experience of large spaces. Whereas > the recording of hair clippers acts as an "index" of close proxi

Re: [Sursound] the power of doppler shift illusion

2013-02-25 Thread etienne deleflie
Peter Lennox > > School of Technology, > Faculty of Arts, Design and Technology > University of Derby, UK > e: p.len...@derby.ac.uk > t: 01332 593155 > > From: sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu [sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On > Behalf O

Re: [Sursound] the power of doppler shift illusion

2013-02-25 Thread Peter Lennox
Derby, UK e: p.len...@derby.ac.uk t: 01332 593155 From: sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu [sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of etienne deleflie [edelef...@gmail.com] Sent: 25 February 2013 22:01 To: Surround Sound discussion group Subject: Re: [Sursound] the power of

Re: [Sursound] the power of doppler shift illusion

2013-02-25 Thread David Worrall
On 26/02/2013, at 9:01 AM, etienne deleflie wrote: > Jorn, > > it turned out that this monster of a piece is unkillable, no matter what we >> tried. so this evil little bear of little brain but inexhaustible >> mischievousness folded it down to mono, out of pure spite. the sound was >> still all

Re: [Sursound] the power of doppler shift illusion

2013-02-25 Thread etienne deleflie
Jorn, it turned out that this monster of a piece is unkillable, no matter what we > tried. so this evil little bear of little brain but inexhaustible > mischievousness folded it down to mono, out of pure spite. the sound was > still all over the place. chowning 10, bear 0. > > and here's to fake d

[Sursound] the power of doppler shift illusion

2013-02-25 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
this is not meant to refute all the comments on the over-rated importance of doppler cues in distance estimation, but: never under-estimate the suggestive power of faked doppler shift cues. this humble bear of very little brain once had the exceptional honor to prepare john chowning's "turenas