Re: [Sursound] UHJ decoding and shelf filters

2011-12-17 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On 2011-12-17, Gerard Lardner wrote: BLaH4, "Design of Ambisonic Decoders for Irregular Arrays of Loudspeakers by Non- Linear Optimization" Heller et al, preprint 8243 AES San Francisco nov10, discusses the various trade-offs and presents our favoured method. Is BLaH4 available anywhere apar

Re: [Sursound] UHJ decoding and shelf filters

2011-12-16 Thread Gerard Lardner
Is BLaH4 available anywhere apart from the AES site? I am not a member, only curious. Gerard Lardner On 16/12/2011 09:34, Richard Lee wrote: > BLaH4, "Design of Ambisonic Decoders for Irregular Arrays of > Loudspeakers by Non- Linear Optimization" Heller et al, preprint 8243 > AES San Francisco n

Re: [Sursound] UHJ decoding and shelf filters

2011-12-16 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 09:48:17AM -0800, Aaron Heller wrote: > On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 3:33 AM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > The matrix columns are W,X,Y. > > I gather that Ambdec version 3 files (v. 0.5.1) use ACN for the > coefficient ordering, which would make it W, Y, X. Absolutely right - v

Re: [Sursound] UHJ decoding and shelf filters

2011-12-16 Thread Roger James
On 16/12/11 17:48, Aaron Heller wrote: It's in the high-50s (F) and about 40% RH here in Menlo Park It zero degrees here at Hest Bank on the edge of Morecambe Bay in the north of England and the water in the air has turned solid. I will need some time to digest all this information. It mig

Re: [Sursound] UHJ decoding and shelf filters

2011-12-16 Thread Aaron Heller
On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 3:33 AM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > The matrix columns are W,X,Y. I gather that Ambdec version 3 files (v. 0.5.1) use ACN for the coefficient ordering, which would make it W, Y, X. For example the LF coefficients you give for the CE speaker (dir=[1,0,0]) are > add_row  

Re: [Sursound] UHJ decoding and shelf filters

2011-12-16 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 09:34:04AM -, Richard Lee wrote: > Does anyone have Fons' 5.1 matrices handy that they could > send me? I can't promise anything quick as its 35C in the > shade and 100% RH in Cooktown and my small brain is boiling. Here (Parma) it's around 3C and 100% RH (thick mist

Re: [Sursound] UHJ decoding and shelf filters

2011-12-16 Thread Geoffrey Barton
On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:00, sursound-requ...@music.vt.edu wrote: > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 14:57:06 + > From: Fons Adriaensen > Subject: Re: [Sursound] UHJ decoding and shelf filters > To: sursound@music.vt.edu > Message-ID: <20111215145706.ga29...@linuxa

Re: [Sursound] UHJ decoding and shelf filters

2011-12-15 Thread Richard Lee
> The actual shelf gains (the difference between LF and HF gain for any > component) don't tell the real story. Changing the LF or HF gain for all > components by the same amount doesn't modify the decoding, it just results in > some EQ. Du...uh! I stand corrected. Shelf filters change the ra

Re: [Sursound] UHJ decoding and shelf filters

2011-12-15 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 07:19:40PM -, Richard Lee wrote: > Fig 3.3 shows them in the form that Ambdec uses; matched gain at LF. > > So 'order gain' at LF is 1.0 for both. > > At HF, 'order gain' is > > 3.7dB for W > and > -2.1dB for X & Y So what this amounts to is that for normal B-form

Re: [Sursound] UHJ decoding and shelf filters

2011-12-15 Thread Dave Malham
Now, if someone has thoughts on shelf filters for higher orders...there is some stuff in Daniel's PhD thesis, but... On 15/12/2011 19:19, Richard Lee wrote: http://ambisonic.info/info/ricardo/shelfs.html This is now only of historical interest. My latest thinking on Shelf Filters is encapsul

Re: [Sursound] UHJ decoding and shelf filters

2011-12-15 Thread Richard Lee
http://ambisonic.info/info/ricardo/shelfs.html This is now only of historical interest. My latest thinking on Shelf Filters is encapsulated in BLaH3 "Is my decoder Ambisonic?" where Aaron's clarity puts me to shame and explains why I'm still a beach bum. The only useful info there which isn't

Re: [Sursound] UHJ decoding and shelf filters

2011-12-14 Thread Dave Malham
The best references for stuff on the shelf filters is probably the BLaH Trilogy at http://www.ai.sri.com/ajh/ambisonics/BLaH.html Dave On 14/12/2011 10:46, Roger James wrote: Hi Fons, Thank you for your comprehensive response. On 13/12/11 22:31, Fons Adriaensen wrote: On Tue, Dec 13, 20

Re: [Sursound] UHJ decoding and shelf filters

2011-12-14 Thread Roger James
Hi Fons, Thank you for your comprehensive response. On 13/12/11 22:31, Fons Adriaensen wrote: On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 09:31:27PM +, Roger James wrote: My current decoding workflow is as follows. 1. Recover B format from UHJ using convolvers and the impulse responses provided by Angelo Fa

Re: [Sursound] UHJ decoding and shelf filters

2011-12-13 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 09:31:27PM +, Roger James wrote: > My current decoding workflow is as follows. > > 1. Recover B format from UHJ using convolvers and the impulse responses > provided by Angelo Farina. You could also use jconvolver / fconvolver. An UHJ decoder preset is provided. > 2

[Sursound] UHJ decoding and shelf filters

2011-12-13 Thread Roger James
Hi, I am once again doing some experiments decoding UHJ source material to ITU standard domestic surround sound speaker layouts and re-encoding the results into AC3. I keep seeing in the Ambisonic literature on the web references to the use of shelf filters in the decoding process and the com