Re: [Sursound] Image-source model with consideration of air absorption

2011-11-25 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On 2011-11-23, Fons Adriaensen wrote: I don't think you need to reformulate the theory. Air absorbtion can be taken into account numerically just in the same way as the frequency response of the reflecting surfaces. Seconded. The absorption term also seems to be pretty simple in the analog/c

Re: [Sursound] Image-source model with consideration of air absorption

2011-11-23 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 04:16:36PM +, Dave Malham wrote: > There's actually an online calculator here > http://www.csgnetwork.com/atmossndabsorbcalc.html and a good paper by > Dennis A. Bohn at www.rane.com/pdf/eespeed.pdf (from JAES 1988). Somehow, > the fact that absorption peaks at low h

Re: [Sursound] Image-source model with consideration of air absorption

2011-11-23 Thread Isaac Daniel Raimundo
Hello all, actually, it is the thermal relaxation and rotational losses of molecules that augment/reduce sound abortion (among other processes). And this process is not linear with frequency/temperature/distance/humidity. You may consult http://www.kayelaby.npl.co.uk/general_physics/2_4/2_4_1.html

Re: [Sursound] Image-source model with consideration of air absorption

2011-11-23 Thread Dave Malham
There's actually an online calculator here http://www.csgnetwork.com/atmossndabsorbcalc.html and a good paper by Dennis A. Bohn at www.rane.com/pdf/eespeed.pdf (from JAES 1988). Somehow, the fact that absorption peaks at low humidities always seems somehow counter-intuitive - we (or, at least, I

Re: [Sursound] Image-source model with consideration of air absorption

2011-11-23 Thread Robert Greene
I agree. Air absorption is substantive in concert halls because the rooms are so large, so that the sound travels a long way before finally dying out. This is a major effect. Even a "bright" concert hall(comparatively bright) has a considerable roll off of the top octave in its reverberant field

Re: [Sursound] Image-source model with consideration of air absorption

2011-11-23 Thread Junfeng Li
Dear Fons, Thanks a lot. I will check and consider the equation that you listed soon. Thanks again. Cheers, Junfeng On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 9:39 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 06:54:35PM +0800, Junfeng Li wrote: > > > Likely, my question is whether the similar equatio

Re: [Sursound] Image-source model with consideration of air absorption

2011-11-23 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 06:54:35PM +0800, Junfeng Li wrote: > Likely, my question is whether the similar equations as Eq. (3) exist when > considering air absorption by extending Eq.(1) or Eq. (2). If it exists, > what this extended equation should be? If A(w) = absorbtion in dB/m d = distance

Re: [Sursound] Image-source model with consideration of air absorption

2011-11-23 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 11/23/2011 10:16 AM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: The code reproduced below is a cleaned up version of an algorithm I found somewhere (and don't remember where). could have been http://sengpielaudio.com/calculator-air.htm float airabs (float p, float t, float r, float f) { float C, h, tr,

Re: [Sursound] Image-source model with consideration of air absorption

2011-11-23 Thread Junfeng Li
Hi, Ciao, Thank you so much for your quite valuable comments. The idea of the below code that you shared is from the Benjamin Bernfeld, "Absorption of sound by air : A personal calculator program," J. AES, Vol. 28, No. 7/8, pp. 521-524, 1980. I believe this implementation introduces the air abso

Re: [Sursound] Image-source model with consideration of air absorption

2011-11-23 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 09:52:22AM +0800, Junfeng Li wrote: > Now I am considering to improve the traditional image-source method to > generate more natural room impulse response with the consideration of air > absorption. I noticed that some open source codes (e.g., roomsim) have > already realiz

[Sursound] Image-source model with consideration of air absorption

2011-11-22 Thread Junfeng Li
Dear List, Now I am considering to improve the traditional image-source method to generate more natural room impulse response with the consideration of air absorption. I noticed that some open source codes (e.g., roomsim) have already realized this idea. To reformulate the image-source method from