Re: [Starlink] Nokia is Pushing for the 1st Cellular Network on the Moon

2024-01-22 Thread Daniel AJ Sokolov via Starlink
Thermal Design is anything but trivial for these things. In case you are interested, here is a good introduction to common mistakes in thermal design for space: Part 1 https://nescacademy.nasa.gov/video/e496742590e044cf803644e744c7c4441d Part 2 https://nescacademy.nasa.gov/video/3a60a62b347c4

Re: [Starlink] Nokia is Pushing for the 1st Cellular Network on the Moon

2024-01-22 Thread Joe Hamelin via Starlink
Back at Clearwire we called those RAN in a Can. On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 11:33 AM Hesham ElBakoury via Starlink < starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > This article is interesting > > > https://www.bell-labs.com/research-innovation/network-fundamentals/first-cellular-network-on-the-moon/ >

Re: [Starlink] Nokia is Pushing for the 1st Cellular Network on the Moon

2024-01-22 Thread David Lang via Starlink
that would mean that only a portion of the moon can be covered, with lots of blind spots depending on terrain. Much better to put starlink satellites in lunar orbit. If you have things on the moon talk to LEO satellites, they may as well talk directly with ground stations. David Lang On Mon

Re: [Starlink] Nokia is Pushing for the 1st Cellular Network on the Moon

2024-01-22 Thread Alexandre Petrescu via Starlink
Le 22/01/2024 à 00:12, Michael Richardson via Starlink a écrit : David Lang wrote: > but now that SpaceX has launched their first 6 satellites that talk cellular, > how many of them would be needed to give continuous coverage of the > moon? Would they be in orbit of the moon, o

Re: [Starlink] Nokia is Pushing for the 1st Cellular Network on the Moon

2024-01-22 Thread Alexandre Petrescu via Starlink
Le 22/01/2024 à 00:12, Michael Richardson via Starlink a écrit : Hesham ElBakoury wrote: > Can a terrestrial terminal connect with a 5G terminal on the moon via GEO? No, very unlikely. Except that Nokia 3310 phones have super-powers. What would be needed for a smartphone is a more powe

Re: [Starlink] Nokia is Pushing for the 1st Cellular Network on the Moon

2024-01-22 Thread Alexandre Petrescu via Starlink
Le 21/01/2024 à 23:59, Hesham ElBakoury via Starlink a écrit : Can a terrestrial terminal connect with a 5G terminal on the moon via GEO? No, it is too far away and the smartphone does not have enough power for that. A terrestrial terminal would connect to a 5G ground station, or maybe via a

Re: [Starlink] Nokia is Pushing for the 1st Cellular Network on the Moon

2024-01-22 Thread Alexandre Petrescu via Starlink
hopefully on the Moon the Nokia 3GPP network will use prefix delegation for IPv6 to end user. (as opposed to what 3GPP networks do on Earth, where they dont use DHCPv6-PD to end user). Le 21/01/2024 à 20:32, Hesham ElBakoury via Starlink a écrit : This article is interesting https://www.

Re: [Starlink] Nokia is Pushing for the 1st Cellular Network on the Moon

2024-01-21 Thread David Lang via Starlink
On Sun, 21 Jan 2024, Michael Richardson wrote: David Lang wrote: > but now that SpaceX has launched their first 6 satellites that talk cellular, > how many of them would be needed to give continuous coverage of the > moon? Would they be in orbit of the moon, or LEO? moon __

Re: [Starlink] Nokia is Pushing for the 1st Cellular Network on the Moon

2024-01-21 Thread Steve Stroh via Starlink
What’s interesting about radio comms on Luna is the opportunity to start over with spectrum allocations. With SDR it’s easy to be backwards compatible with existing AND new generation comms systems. Very little legacy spectrum allocations to deal with - no television spectrum or marine comms neede

Re: [Starlink] Nokia is Pushing for the 1st Cellular Network on the Moon

2024-01-21 Thread Michael Richardson via Starlink
David Lang wrote: > but now that SpaceX has launched their first 6 satellites that talk cellular, > how many of them would be needed to give continuous coverage of the > moon? Would they be in orbit of the moon, or LEO? ___ Starlink mailin

Re: [Starlink] Nokia is Pushing for the 1st Cellular Network on the Moon

2024-01-21 Thread Michael Richardson via Starlink
Hesham ElBakoury wrote: > Can a terrestrial terminal connect with a 5G terminal on the moon via GEO? No, very unlikely. Except that Nokia 3310 phones have super-powers. ___ Starlink mailing list Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbl

Re: [Starlink] Nokia is Pushing for the 1st Cellular Network on the Moon

2024-01-21 Thread David Lang via Starlink
There are no satellites that talk 5g in GEO but now that SpaceX has launched their first 6 satellites that talk cellular, how many of them would be needed to give continuous coverage of the moon? They could be in a much higher orbit (as there are so few users), so they shouldn't need the hundr

Re: [Starlink] Nokia is Pushing for the 1st Cellular Network on the Moon

2024-01-21 Thread Hesham ElBakoury via Starlink
Can a terrestrial terminal connect with a 5G terminal on the moon via GEO? Hesham On Sun, Jan 21, 2024, 2:35 PM Michael Richardson wrote: > Hesham ElBakoury via Starlink wrote: > > This article is interesting > > > > https://www.bell-labs.com/research-innovation/network-fundamenta

Re: [Starlink] Nokia is Pushing for the 1st Cellular Network on the Moon

2024-01-21 Thread Michael Richardson via Starlink
Hesham ElBakoury via Starlink wrote: > This article is interesting > https://www.bell-labs.com/research-innovation/network-fundamentals/first-cellular-network-on-the-moon/ Probably can launch a crate of Nokia 3310 phones as terminals freefloating in a moon intercept orbit from a Fa