So much longer to update than install fresh (+ no install feedback)

2023-10-28 Thread Paul Dufresne
I retested with UFS rather than ZFS. The freebsd-update install after reboot gone from 42m49s with ZFS to 5m39s with UFS. More details: -the 44 patch update for 13.2 took 29s for the update phase, 34s for the install phase. /usr/bin/time -h freebsd-update -r 14.0-BETA1 10750 patchs, 1309 files

Re: So much longer to update than install fresh (+ no install feedback)

2023-10-28 Thread Paul Dufresne
>Le sam., 28 oct. 2023 19:09:50 -0400 Kirill Orlov a écrit > > My bump from 13.2-RELEASE to 14.0-RC1 took around 7 mins on asus ux461. > Upgrades to RC2 and RC3 were around 5 mins, very swift. Tho no betas in my > case > Looking at the specs of Asus UX461, I see it come with an SS

Ré : So much longer to update than install fresh (+ no install feedback)

2023-10-28 Thread Paul Dufresne
Turned out that going from 14.0-BETA1 to 14.0-RC3 was significantly faster than from 13.2 to 14.0-BETA1. >From 14.0-BETA1: /usr/bin/time -h freebsd-update -r 14.0-BETA4 upgrade 1810 patchs, 3 files 5m38s real, 2m22 user, 43s sys /usr/bin/time -h freebsd-update install 3m4s [reboot] /usr/bin/tim

Re: periodic daily takes a very long time to run (14-stable)

2023-10-28 Thread void
On Sun, Oct 29, 2023 at 12:49:14AM +0200, Guido Falsi wrote: Correcting myaelf: The version we currently have in the ports tree (3.7.x) does not care for atime, as far as I can see in the source code. It checks mtime only. Newer versions do use it though! Thanks for checking. I've set it

Re: periodic daily takes a very long time to run (14-stable)

2023-10-28 Thread Guido Falsi
On 29/10/23 00:42, Guido Falsi wrote: On 29/10/23 00:33, void wrote: On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 05:38:58PM +0200, Guido Falsi wrote: I have this for ccache FS (zfs): dumpster/ccache  atime on local I wondered why you have this set to 'on'? I mean I know /var

Re: periodic daily takes a very long time to run (14-stable)

2023-10-28 Thread Guido Falsi
On 29/10/23 00:33, void wrote: On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 05:38:58PM +0200, Guido Falsi wrote: I have this for ccache FS (zfs): dumpster/ccache  atime on local I wondered why you have this set to 'on'? I mean I know /var/mail needs it for mail to function. Is

Re: periodic daily takes a very long time to run (14-stable)

2023-10-28 Thread void
On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 05:38:58PM +0200, Guido Falsi wrote: I have this for ccache FS (zfs): dumpster/ccache atime on local I wondered why you have this set to 'on'? I mean I know /var/mail needs it for mail to function. Is it the same wiht ccache ? --

So much longer to update than install fresh (+ no install feedback)

2023-10-28 Thread Paul Dufresne
I realized that my previous message was a bit not precise. So, armed with the knowledge that "freebsd-update install" generally finish, I reinstalled 13.2 (which felt like 5 to 7 mins, did not clocked). Was zfs default install (without ssh server). Then I updated the 44 patches for 13.2, then re

Ré : So much longer to update than install fresh (+ no install feedback)

2023-10-28 Thread Paul Dufresne
I just upgraded from 14.0-RC2 to 14.0-RC3 in only 297 real seconds... so 5 mins (after reboot). That's seems very fast to me. But that's was for about 3k updates... compare to what was (27k * 2 I think) when I was trying to upgrade 13.2 to 14-0. Let's say 54k / 3k * 5 mins =~ 90 mins... I h

Ré : So much longer to update than install fresh (+ no install feedback)

2023-10-28 Thread Paul Dufresne
Sorry, I meant freebsd-update install is missing feedback (and seems much longer than upgrade that have good feedback in my opinion).

So much longer to update than install fresh (+ no install feedback)

2023-10-28 Thread Paul Dufresne
At first, I have tried to "freebsd-update -r 14.0-BETA3 upgrade" my 13.2 release (quite experimental install). I did not knew if I was supposed to go from 13.2 to BETA1, then BETA2, then BETA3... I still don't know. But after seeing it not showing anything for about 10 mins while showing "

Re: Version of OpenSSH in FreeBSD 14.0

2023-10-28 Thread Pete French
On 28/10/2023 12:42, Roger Marsh wrote: Thread you cannot find is: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=169824753806131&w=2 Ah, thanks. I tried the OpenBSD site, but it seemed to require a login. On OpenBSD the default for ObscureKeystrokeTiming is on, value 'yes', and it can be turned o

Re: Version of OpenSSH in FreeBSD 14.0

2023-10-28 Thread Roger Marsh
On Sat, 28 Oct 2023 10:45:36 +0100 Pete French wrote: > On 28/10/2023 09:30, Roger Marsh wrote: > > Does 14.0 have OpenSSH 9.3 or OpenSSH 9.4? > > > > This thread: > > > > Delay in starting programs on FreeBSD via ssh after upgrade OpenBSD from > > 7.3 to 7.4 > > > on openssh-unix-...@mindrot.

Re: Version of OpenSSH in FreeBSD 14.0

2023-10-28 Thread Pete French
On 28/10/2023 09:30, Roger Marsh wrote: Does 14.0 have OpenSSH 9.3 or OpenSSH 9.4? This thread: Delay in starting programs on FreeBSD via ssh after upgrade OpenBSD from 7.3 to 7.4 > on openssh-unix-...@mindrot.org This one ? https://lists.mindrot.org/pipermail/openssh-unix-dev/2023-Octob

Re: Version of OpenSSH in FreeBSD 14.0

2023-10-28 Thread Kurt Jaeger
Hi! > Does 14.0 have OpenSSH 9.3 or OpenSSH 9.4? ssh -V says: OpenSSH_9.5p1, OpenSSL 3.0.12 24 Oct 2023 -- p...@freebsd.org +49 171 3101372 Now what ?

Re: Version of OpenSSH in FreeBSD 14.0

2023-10-28 Thread Herbert J. Skuhra
On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 08:30:10AM +, Roger Marsh wrote: > Does 14.0 have OpenSSH 9.3 or OpenSSH 9.4? OpenSSH 9.5p1. See: https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/commit/?h=releng/14.0&id=676824f5cdf9dfdbfca38c9cfff2398345db9211 -- Herbert

Version of OpenSSH in FreeBSD 14.0

2023-10-28 Thread Roger Marsh
Does 14.0 have OpenSSH 9.3 or OpenSSH 9.4? This thread: Delay in starting programs on FreeBSD via ssh after upgrade OpenBSD from 7.3 to 7.4 on openssh-unix-...@mindrot.org is why I ask. Thanks Roger