Re: [spring] draft-ginsberg-spring-conflict-resolution: SRGB INCONSISTENCY

2016-01-12 Thread John E Drake
Les, Upon reflection this sounds imminently reasonable. Yours Irrespectively, John From: spring [mailto:spring-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 4:06 PM To: bruno.decra...@orange.com Cc: spring@ietf.org; Henderickx, Wim (Wim) Subject: Re: [s

Re: [spring] [Idr] New draft for data center gateways

2016-05-24 Thread John E Drake
Robert, Comments inline Yours Irrespectively, John From: spring [mailto:spring-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Robert Raszuk Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 4:14 PM To: Adrian Farrel Cc: idr wg; spring@ietf.org Subject: Re: [spring] [Idr] New draft for data center gateways Dear Authors, Question 1:

Re: [spring] SID Conflict Resolution: A Simpler Proposal

2016-12-05 Thread John E Drake
I agree with Acee Sent from my iPhone On Dec 5, 2016, at 11:28 AM, Acee Lindem (acee) mailto:a...@cisco.com>> wrote: I like the proposal below much better than keeping track of the overlapping and non-overlapping ranges and dynamically resolving conflicts as the routing state changes. While p

Re: [spring] SR replication segment for P2MP MDT

2020-03-22 Thread John E Drake
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-shen-spring-p2mp-transport-chain-01 Yours Irrespectively, John Juniper Business Use Only From: spring On Behalf Of Gyan Mishra Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 4:45 PM To: Rishabh Parekh Cc: SPRING WG ; Voyer, Daniel Subject: Re: [spring] SR replication segment

Re: [spring] SR replication segment for P2MP MDT

2020-03-23 Thread John E Drake
Gyan, You're most welcome. Yours Irrespectively, John Juniper Business Use Only From: Gyan Mishra Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 5:26 PM To: John E Drake Cc: Rishabh Parekh ; SPRING WG ; Voyer, Daniel Subject: Re: [spring] SR replication segment for P2MP MDT Thanks John!! Did a

Re: [spring] [Teas] More Discussion//RE: Re:Re: New term for the underlay construct used for slice realization

2021-08-24 Thread John E Drake
Hi, Snipper, comments inline [JD1]. Yours Irrespectively, John 2. As mentioned several times during the discussion, this underlay construct has both the topology and resource attributes. With the term “resource group”, it is clear that it is a set of network resources, then how about the topo

Re: [spring] [mpls] Whether both E2E and SPME performance measurement for MPLS-SR is needed?

2017-11-16 Thread John E Drake
Robert, I think you’re right that ‘SR Path Id’ is the wrong term and that it should be ‘SR Segment List Id’. We developed this draft in response to requests from our customers that, as described in our draft, have an interface on a node in the interior of an SR network whose utilization is abo

Re: [spring] [mpls] Special purpose labels in draft-hegde-spring-traffic-accounting-for-sr-paths

2017-11-16 Thread John E Drake
Hi, We are dealing with an SR network in which the data plane is MPLS rather than IP. Yours Irrespectively, John From: mpls [mailto:mpls-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Xuxiaohu Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 1:47 AM To: Jeff Tantsura ; Robert Raszuk Cc: draft-hegde-spring-traffic-accountin

Re: [spring] [mpls] Special purpose labels in draft-hegde-spring-traffic-accounting-for-sr-paths

2017-11-16 Thread John E Drake
Sasha, We did not use the term SR-TE LSP in our draft and I think it is misleading. I suggested to Robert in another email that we use the term ‘SR Segment List’ since that is what the SR Architecture document describes. Yours Irrespectively, John From: mpls [mailto:mpls-boun...@ietf.org] On

Re: [spring] [mpls] Special purpose labels in draft-hegde-spring-traffic-accounting-for-sr-paths

2017-11-16 Thread John E Drake
Zafar, Comment inline. Yours Irrespectively, John From: mpls [mailto:mpls-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Zafar Ali (zali) Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 3:25 AM To: Xuxiaohu ; Greg Mirsky Cc: draft-hegde-spring-traffic-accounting-for-sr-paths ; spring ; mpls Subject: Re: [mpls] [spring]

Re: [spring] [mpls] redux: Special purpose labels in draft-hegde-spring-traffic-accounting-for-sr-paths

2017-11-16 Thread John E Drake
Ruediger, There is also the possibility of using a GAL w/ a new fixed size GACH containing the SR Segment List Id. This is similar to Robert’s suggestion of using a VXLAN header. Yours Irrespectively, John From: mpls [mailto:mpls-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ruediger.g...@telekom.de Sent:

Re: [spring] Special purpose labels in draft-hegde-spring-traffic-accounting-for-sr-paths

2017-11-16 Thread John E Drake
Hi, This I completely agree with, however, given that we have had similar counters in LSRs since the advent of MPLS/RSVP-TE I am not sure this is a “complicated function”. Yours Irrespectively, John From: mpls [mailto:mpls-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Xuxiaohu Sent: Wednesday, November 15,

Re: [spring] [mpls] Whether both E2E and SPME performance measurement for MPLS-SR is needed?

2017-11-16 Thread John E Drake
Robert, We are more than open to aternatives. Yours Irrespectively, John From: rras...@gmail.com [mailto:rras...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Robert Raszuk Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 6:53 AM To: John E Drake Cc: David Allan I ; m...@ietf.org; spring Subject: RE: [mpls] Whether both E2E

Re: [spring] [mpls] Whether both E2E and SPME performance measurement for MPLS-SR is needed?

2017-11-16 Thread John E Drake
Hi, Or even just an extended email. Yours Irrespectively, John From: Alexander Vainshtein [mailto:alexander.vainsht...@ecitele.com] Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 6:59 AM To: Robert Raszuk Cc: m...@ietf.org; spring ; David Allan I ; John E Drake Subject: RE: [spring] [mpls] Whether both

Re: [spring] [mpls] Special purpose labels in draft-hegde-spring-traffic-accounting-for-sr-paths

2017-11-16 Thread John E Drake
ShaoWen, We are not talking about per-flow counting but rather per SR Segment list counting. Yours Irrespectively, John From: mpls [mailto:mpls-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ShaoWen Ma Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 9:43 PM To: Robert Raszuk Cc: draft-hegde-spring-traffic-accounting-for-

Re: [spring] [mpls] redux: Special purpose labels in draft-hegde-spring-traffic-accounting-for-sr-paths

2017-11-16 Thread John E Drake
To: John E Drake Cc: draft-hegde-spring-traffic-accounting-for-sr-pa...@ietf.org; spring@ietf.org; z...@cisco.com; rob...@raszuk.net; m...@ietf.org; Ext - ruediger.g...@telekom.de ; adr...@olddog.co.uk; Michael Gorokhovsky Subject: RE: [spring] [mpls] redux: Special purpose labels in draft

Re: [spring] [mpls] redux: Special purpose labels in draft-hegde-spring-traffic-accounting-for-sr-paths

2017-11-16 Thread John E Drake
: John E Drake Cc: draft-hegde-spring-traffic-accounting-for-sr-pa...@ietf.org; spring@ietf.org; rob...@raszuk.net; m...@ietf.org; z...@cisco.com Subject: AW: [mpls] [spring] redux: Special purpose labels in draft-hegde-spring-traffic-accounting-for-sr-paths John, that’s not what I’m looking for

Re: [spring] Special purpose labels in draft-hegde-spring-traffic-accounting-for-sr-paths

2017-11-16 Thread John E Drake
Himanshu, Good point. We also need to be able to turn on and off packet marking by the ingress routers. Yours Irrespectively, John From: mpls [mailto:mpls-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Shah, Himanshu Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 10:35 PM To: Mach Chen ; Zafar Ali (zali) ; Greg Mirsky

Re: [spring] [mpls] Whether both E2E and SPME performance measurement for MPLS-SR is needed?

2017-11-16 Thread John E Drake
, 2017 8:44 AM To: John E Drake Cc: Alexander Vainshtein ; m...@ietf.org; spring ; David Allan I Subject: Re: [spring] [mpls] Whether both E2E and SPME performance measurement for MPLS-SR is needed? Hi John, I think I did but let me restate ... Imagine we have a network like below: R1 --- R2

Re: [spring] [mpls] Whether both E2E and SPME performance measurement for MPLS-SR is needed?

2017-11-16 Thread John E Drake
Robert, Upon reflection, the same question can be asked of R4. Yours Irrespectively, John From: John E Drake Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 6:34 PM To: Robert Raszuk Cc: Alexander Vainshtein ; m...@ietf.org; spring ; David Allan I Subject: RE: [spring] [mpls] Whether both E2E and SPME

Re: [spring] Whether both E2E and SPME performance measurement for MPLS-SR is needed?

2017-11-16 Thread John E Drake
Dave, Comment inline Yours Irrespectively, John From: mpls [mailto:mpls-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of David Allan I Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 4:56 AM To: Mach Chen ; Greg Mirsky ; Alexander Vainshtein Cc: draft-hegde-spring-traffic-accounting-for-sr-paths ; spring ; mpls ; Michael

Re: [spring] [mpls] Special purpose labels in draft-hegde-spring-traffic-accounting-for-sr-paths

2017-11-16 Thread John E Drake
Stewart, The intent is to have a general MPLS capability, as I think the draft mentions, and the draft is targeted at the MPLS WG. Yours Irrespectively, John From: mpls [mailto:mpls-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Stewart Bryant Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 9:45 PM To: Mach Chen ; stephane

Re: [spring] [mpls] redux: Special purpose labels in draft-hegde-spring-traffic-accounting-for-sr-paths

2017-11-16 Thread John E Drake
:26 PM To: John E Drake ; Ext - ruediger.g...@telekom.de ; adr...@olddog.co.uk Cc: draft-hegde-spring-traffic-accounting-for-sr-pa...@ietf.org; spring@ietf.org; z...@cisco.com; rob...@raszuk.net; m...@ietf.org Subject: RE: [spring] [mpls] redux: Special purpose labels in draft-hegde-spring-traffic

Re: [spring] [mpls] Special purpose labels in draft-hegde-spring-traffic-accounting-for-sr-paths

2017-11-19 Thread John E Drake
Hi, Comments inline Yours Irrespectively, John From: spring [mailto:spring-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Zafar Ali (zali) Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 1:12 AM To: John E Drake Cc: draft-hegde-spring-traffic-accounting-for-sr-paths ; spring ; mpls Subject: Re: [spring] [mpls] Special

Re: [spring] [mpls] The MPLS WG has placed draft-farrel-mpls-sfc in state "Call For Adoption By WG Issued"

2018-03-12 Thread John E Drake
Daniel, There work group adoption process started several months ago. We asked Loa to initiate the process and he asked four members of the MPLS review team to review the draft, which they subsequently did, with all four indicating that they thought the draft should be adopted. Then and only

Re: [spring] [mpls] [sfc] The MPLS WG has placed draft-farrel-mpls-sfc in state "Call For Adoption By WG Issued"

2018-03-13 Thread John E Drake
Jim, Excellent point. We thought a context label was crucial in order to achieve scalability (2**40) bits. A single 20 bit globally unique SFI identifier didn’t seem to be practical to us. Yours Irrespectively, John From: mpls [mailto:mpls-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of James N Guichard Sen

Re: [spring] [mpls] [sfc] The MPLS WG has placed draft-farrel-mpls-sfc in state "Call For Adoption By WG Issued"

2018-03-13 Thread John E Drake
Robert, Comments inline. Yours Irrespectively, John From: rras...@gmail.com [mailto:rras...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Robert Raszuk Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2018 5:13 PM To: John E Drake Cc: James N Guichard ; Francois Clad (fclad) ; adr...@olddog.co.uk; mpls ; SPRING WG List ; s...@ietf.org

Re: [spring] [mpls] [sfc] The MPLS WG has placed draft-farrel-mpls-sfc in state "Call For Adoption By WG Issued"

2018-03-14 Thread John E Drake
Robert, The point is to re-purpose existing MPLS hardware in the short-term to build service function forwarders. Yours Irrespectively, John From: rras...@gmail.com [mailto:rras...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Robert Raszuk Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2018 5:52 PM To: John E Drake Cc: James N

Re: [spring] [mpls] [sfc] The MPLS WG has placed draft-farrel-mpls-sfc in state "Call For Adoption By WG Issued"

2018-03-14 Thread John E Drake
Wim, Comment inline Yours Irrespectively, John From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) [mailto:wim.henderi...@nokia.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 4:38 AM To: Robert Raszuk ; John E Drake Cc: mpls ; SPRING WG List ; s...@ietf.org; James N Guichard ; adr...@olddog.co.uk; Francois

Re: [spring] [mpls] [sfc] The MPLS WG has placed draft-farrel-mpls-sfc in state "Call For Adoption By WG Issued"

2018-03-14 Thread John E Drake
Hi, I think there is a fundamental difference between the subject draft and draft-xuclad-spring-sr-service-chaining-01. Despite your co-author Wim’s assertions to the contrary [1], the latter draft is describing how to use segment routing rather than NSH for service function path traversal. T

Re: [spring] [mpls] [sfc] The MPLS WG has placed draft-farrel-mpls-sfc in state "Call For Adoption By WG Issued"

2018-03-14 Thread John E Drake
Daniel, It has a multiplicity of issues, primarily wrt scalability and ease of configuration. Yours Irrespectively, John From: spring [mailto:spring-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Bernier, Daniel Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 10:54 AM To: John E Drake ; Robert Raszuk Cc: mpls ; SPRING WG

Re: [spring] [mpls] [sfc] The MPLS WG has placed draft-farrel-mpls-sfc in state "Call For Adoption By WG Issued"

2018-03-14 Thread John E Drake
Robert, Comments inline Yours Irrespectively, John From: rras...@gmail.com [mailto:rras...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Robert Raszuk Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 12:00 PM To: John E Drake Cc: EXT - daniel.bern...@bell.ca ; mpls ; SPRING WG List ; s...@ietf.org; James N Guichard ; adr

Re: [spring] [mpls] [sfc] The MPLS WG has placed draft-farrel-mpls-sfc in state "Call For Adoption By WG Issued"

2018-03-14 Thread John E Drake
Of Robert Raszuk Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 12:38 PM To: John E Drake Cc: EXT - daniel.bern...@bell.ca ; mpls ; SPRING WG List ; s...@ietf.org; James N Guichard ; adr...@olddog.co.uk; Francois Clad (fclad) Subject: Re: [spring] [mpls] [sfc] The MPLS WG has placed draft-farrel-mpls-sfc in

Re: [spring] [mpls] should draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label be published as a RFC on the standards track?

2018-05-02 Thread John E Drake
Stewart, Realistically, I think your proposal is an example of closing the barn door after the horse has bolted. Yours Irrespectively, John From: spring On Behalf Of Eric Gray Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2018 10:28 AM To: Stewart Bryant ; Andrew G. Malis ; Loa Andersson Cc: m...@ietf.org; sprin

Re: [spring] [mpls] draft-xu-mpls-sr-over-ip

2018-06-13 Thread John E Drake
I'm not aware of any IPR. Yours Irrespectively, John > -Original Message- > From: mpls On Behalf Of Loa Andersson > Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 6:15 AM > To: m...@ietf.org > Cc: spring@ietf.org; mpls-cha...@ietf.org; draft-xu-mpls-sr-over...@ietf.org > Subject: [mpls] draft-xu-mpls-sr

Re: [spring] The SPRING WG has placed draft-voyer-spring-sr-replication-segment in state "Candidate for WG Adoption"

2019-11-13 Thread John E Drake
Hi, I think Sasha has a valid point. Further, ingress replication has been part of MVPN since forever. Yours Irrespectively, John Juniper Business Use Only From: spring On Behalf Of Alexander Vainshtein Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 9:26 AM To: Robert Raszuk Cc: spring@ietf.org; dra

Re: [spring] The SPRING WG has placed draft-voyer-spring-sr-replication-segment in state "Candidate for WG Adoption"

2019-11-13 Thread John E Drake
s, at best, a stretch.. Yours Irrespectively, John Juniper Business Use Only From: Robert Raszuk Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 3:55 PM To: John E Drake Cc: Alexander Vainshtein ; spring@ietf.org; draft-voyer-spring-sr-replication-segment.auth...@ietf.org; (spring-cha...@tools.iet

Re: [spring] The SPRING WG has placed draft-voyer-spring-sr-replication-segment in state "Candidate for WG Adoption"

2019-11-13 Thread John E Drake
e to pure unicast networks. Thx, Robert. On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 10:20 PM John E Drake mailto:jdr...@juniper.net>> wrote: Robert, I’m sorry for the confusion. My only point was that MVPN provides the reference architecture for dealing w/ multicast using a multiplicity of tunnel types

Re: [spring] The SPRING WG has placed draft-voyer-spring-sr-replication-segment in state "Candidate for WG Adoption"

2019-11-17 Thread John E Drake
reg Mirsky Sent: 17 November 2019 11:39 To: John E Drake mailto:40juniper@dmarc.ietf.org>> Cc: spring@ietf.org<mailto:spring@ietf.org>; Alexander Vainshtein mailto:alexander.vainsht...@ecitele.com>>; draft-voyer-spring-sr-replication-segment.auth...@ietf.org<mailto:draf

Re: [spring] The SPRING WG has placed draft-voyer-spring-sr-replication-segment in state "Candidate for WG Adoption"

2019-11-17 Thread John E Drake
: Greg Mirsky Sent: 17 November 2019 13:14 To: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) Cc: John E Drake ; spring@ietf.org; Alexander Vainshtein ; draft-voyer-spring-sr-replication-segment.auth...@ietf.org; Robert Raszuk ; (spring-cha...@tools.ietf.org) Subject: Re: [spring] The SPRING WG has placed draft