Re: [spring] I-D Action: draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-10.txt

2020-02-28 Thread Zafar Ali (zali)
Hi Greg, Please see [ZA] in-line. Thanks Regards … Zafar From: ipv6 on behalf of Greg Mirsky Date: Friday, February 28, 2020 at 11:45 AM To: Robert Raszuk Cc: John Scudder , SPRING WG , 6man WG Subject: Re: [spring] I-D Action: draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-10.txt Hi

Re: [spring] I-D Action: draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-10.txt

2020-02-28 Thread Greg Mirsky
Ron > > > > > > *From:* spring *On Behalf Of *Greg Mirsky > *Sent:* Friday, February 28, 2020 11:22 AM > *To:* Robert Raszuk > *Cc:* John Scudder ; SPRING WG < > spring@ietf.org>; 6man WG > *Subject:* Re: [spring] I-D Action: > draft

Re: [spring] I-D Action: draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-10.txt

2020-02-28 Thread Robert Raszuk
Even better ! Thank you, R. On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 5:44 PM Greg Mirsky wrote: > Hi Robert, > thank you for you consideration. Pablo and I had discussed references to > OAM in the SRv6 network programming draft. Pablo and authors kindly agreed > to remove all references to OAM and draft-ietf-6m

Re: [spring] I-D Action: draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-10.txt

2020-02-28 Thread Greg Mirsky
Hi Robert, thank you for you consideration. Pablo and I had discussed references to OAM in the SRv6 network programming draft. Pablo and authors kindly agreed to remove all references to OAM and draft-ietf-6man-spring-srv6-oam. As we are discussing the network programming draft, draft-ietf-6man-spr

Re: [spring] I-D Action: draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-10.txt

2020-02-28 Thread Ron Bonica
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2020 11:22 AM To: Robert Raszuk Cc: John Scudder ; SPRING WG ; 6man WG Subject: Re: [spring] I-D Action: draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-10.txt Hi Robert, you've asked about a possible operational drawback of PSP. I think that for OAM PSP has decremental

Re: [spring] I-D Action: draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-10.txt

2020-02-28 Thread Robert Raszuk
Greg, I agree. Moreover I would suggest to add such text that PSP endpoint behaviours should or must not be set for any OEM packets. Would that help ? Thx, R. On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 5:22 PM Greg Mirsky wrote: > Hi Robert, > you've asked about a possible operational drawback of PSP. I think

Re: [spring] I-D Action: draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-10.txt

2020-02-28 Thread Greg Mirsky
Hi Robert, you've asked about a possible operational drawback of PSP. I think that for OAM PSP has decremental effect on the usefulness of performance measurements as there's no obvious information to identify the path a packet traversed. Regards, Greg On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 2:55 AM Robert Raszu

Re: [spring] I-D Action: draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-10.txt

2020-02-28 Thread Robert Raszuk
Joel, Let me observe that as it has been said already such end device may support SR but SRH above say N SIDs is handled only in slow path. In the same time let me observe that while slow path may be just fine for a lot of time such device also is to receive 5 well engineered high bandwidth strea

Re: [spring] I-D Action: draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-10.txt

2020-02-28 Thread Joel M. Halpern
While it is true that some traffic only needs steering in one direction, I have real trouble figuring out how an operator would dare deploy an SR edge device that could not steer incoming traffic. Either they do not need SR, or they can expect that some traffic will need it in both directions.

Re: [spring] I-D Action: draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-10.txt

2020-02-28 Thread John Scudder
: Ron Bonica mailto:rbon...@juniper.net>>; daniel.vo...@bell.ca<mailto:daniel.vo...@bell.ca> Subject: Re: [spring] I-D Action: draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-10.txt I have an additional observation, or question, about Dan’s scenario. Almost all communication is bidirect

Re: [spring] I-D Action: draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-10.txt

2020-02-28 Thread Robert Raszuk
Hi John, > I have an additional observation, or question, about Dan’s scenario. Almost all communication is bidirectional. > Presumably this means a router that’s the tail end of an SRv6 path in one direction is the head end in the other. While your observation is correct that most TCP connection

Re: [spring] I-D Action: draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-10.txt

2020-02-27 Thread Gyan Mishra
4 > *To: *"Pablo Camarillo (pcamaril)" > *Cc: *SPRING WG > *Subject: *Re: [spring] I-D Action: > draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-10.txt > > > > > > In-line response > > > > > > On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 10:16 AM Pablo Camarillo (pcamaril)

Re: [spring] I-D Action: draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-10.txt

2020-02-27 Thread Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)
Hi John, Please check inline below. From: spring On Behalf Of John Scudder Sent: 28 February 2020 02:41 To: SPRING WG ; 6man WG Cc: Ron Bonica ; daniel.vo...@bell.ca Subject: Re: [spring] I-D Action: draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-10.txt I have an additional observation, or

Re: [spring] I-D Action: draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-10.txt

2020-02-27 Thread John Scudder
February 25, 2020 10:17 AM To: Gyan Mishra mailto:hayabusa...@gmail.com>> Cc: SPRING WG mailto:spring@ietf.org>> Subject: Re: [spring] I-D Action: draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-10.txt Gyan, As I (and other WG members) have explained in the past, PSP is not trying to p

Re: [spring] I-D Action: draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-10.txt

2020-02-27 Thread Pablo Camarillo (pcamaril)
Gyan, Inline [PC1]. Thanks, Pablo. From: Gyan Mishra Date: Thursday, 27 February 2020 at 08:14 To: "Pablo Camarillo (pcamaril)" Cc: SPRING WG Subject: Re: [spring] I-D Action: draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-10.txt In-line response On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 10:1

Re: [spring] I-D Action: draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-10.txt

2020-02-27 Thread Andrew Alston
stating a use case?) – but PSP? Andrew From: ipv6 on behalf of Robert Raszuk Date: Thursday, 27 February 2020 at 22:11 To: Ron Bonica Cc: SPRING WG , 6man WG , "Pablo Camarillo (pcamaril)" Subject: Re: [spring] I-D Action: draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-10.txt Ron, Ho

Re: [spring] I-D Action: draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-10.txt

2020-02-27 Thread Robert Raszuk
ase in which it is required and b) discourages its > use in all other cases. > > > > > Ron > > > > Juniper Business Use Only > > *From:* spring *On Behalf Of *Pablo Camarillo > (pcamaril) > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 25, 2020 10:17 AM > *T

Re: [spring] I-D Action: draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-10.txt

2020-02-27 Thread Ron Bonica
ring On Behalf Of Pablo Camarillo (pcamaril) Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2020 10:17 AM To: Gyan Mishra Cc: SPRING WG Subject: Re: [spring] I-D Action: draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-10.txt Gyan, As I (and other WG members) have explained in the past, PSP is not trying to provide any

Re: [spring] I-D Action: draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-10.txt

2020-02-26 Thread Gyan Mishra
/mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spring/ErcErN39RIlzkL5SKNVAeEWpnAI> > > > > I don't see the point of starting a new thread from zero that discusses > the same thing. > > > > Cheers, > > Pablo. > > > > *From: *Gyan Mishra > *Date: *Tuesday, 25 February

Re: [spring] I-D Action: draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-10.txt

2020-02-25 Thread Pablo Camarillo (pcamaril)
same thing. Cheers, Pablo. -Original Message- From: Mark Smith Date: Tuesday, 25 February 2020 at 00:40 To: "Pablo Camarillo (pcamaril)" Cc: Ron Bonica , SPRING WG Subject: Re: [spring] I-D Action: draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-10.txt On Tue, 25 Feb 2020

Re: [spring] I-D Action: draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-10.txt

2020-02-25 Thread Voyer, Daniel
gt; Subject: Re: [spring] I-D Action: draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-10.txt > > > > I agree with the sentiments expressed below > > > > Andrew > > > > > > From: spring On Behalf Of Mar

Re: [spring] I-D Action: draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-10.txt

2020-02-25 Thread Pablo Camarillo (pcamaril)
hread from zero that discusses the same thing. Cheers, Pablo. From: Gyan Mishra Date: Tuesday, 25 February 2020 at 00:35 To: "Pablo Camarillo (pcamaril)" Cc: Ron Bonica , SPRING WG Subject: Re: [spring] I-D Action: draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-10.txt PSP has historic

Re: [spring] I-D Action: draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-10.txt

2020-02-24 Thread Mark Smith
eing closer to the edge, may be less heavily loaded than the > penultimate segment endpoint. > > > > Can anyone articulate a better justification for PSP? If not, why test the > limits of RFC 8200 over it? > > > >

Re: [spring] I-D Action: draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-10.txt

2020-02-24 Thread Gyan Mishra
> *Date: *Monday, 24 February 2020 at 16:27 > *To: *Andrew Alston , Mark Smith < > markzzzsm...@gmail.com>, Sander Steffann > *Cc: *SPRING WG , "Pablo Camarillo (pcamaril)" < > pcama...@cisco.com> > *Subject: *RE: [spring] I-D Action: > draft-ietf-spring

Re: [spring] I-D Action: draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-10.txt

2020-02-24 Thread Pablo Camarillo (pcamaril)
at 16:27 To: Andrew Alston , Mark Smith , Sander Steffann Cc: SPRING WG , "Pablo Camarillo (pcamaril)" Subject: RE: [spring] I-D Action: draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-10.txt Folks, We may need to ask the following questions: 1) Does PSP violate letter of RF

Re: [spring] I-D Action: draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-10.txt

2020-02-24 Thread Ron Bonica
Camarillo (pcamaril) Subject: Re: [spring] I-D Action: draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-10.txt I agree with the sentiments expressed below Andrew From: spring mailto:spring-boun...@ietf.org>> On Behalf Of Mark Smith Sent: Monday, 24 February 2020 00:50 To: Sander Steffann mail

Re: [spring] I-D Action: draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-10.txt

2020-02-24 Thread Andrew Alston
I agree with the sentiments expressed below Andrew From: spring On Behalf Of Mark Smith Sent: Monday, 24 February 2020 00:50 To: Sander Steffann Cc: SPRING WG ; Pablo Camarillo (pcamaril) Subject: Re: [spring] I-D Action: draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-10.txt On Mon, 24 Feb

Re: [spring] I-D Action: draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-10.txt

2020-02-23 Thread Mark Smith
On Mon, 24 Feb 2020, 07:47 Sander Steffann, wrote: > Hi, > > > We have published a new update to > draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming. This revision simplifies the > counters as per [1], clarifies the upper layer header processing as per [2] > and removes the reference to the OAM draft [3

Re: [spring] I-D Action: draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-10.txt

2020-02-23 Thread Sander Steffann
Hi, > We have published a new update to draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming. > This revision simplifies the counters as per [1], clarifies the upper layer > header processing as per [2] and removes the reference to the OAM draft [3]. I still oppose the segment popping flavours in section

Re: [spring] I-D Action: draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-10.txt

2020-02-23 Thread Pablo Camarillo (pcamaril)
Hi all, We have published a new update to draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming. This revision simplifies the counters as per [1], clarifies the upper layer header processing as per [2] and removes the reference to the OAM draft [3]. Thank you for the review and feedback. Cheers, Pablo.