On Fri, 12 Nov 2010, Anthony Towns wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 14:53, Don Armstrong wrote:
> > If a model policy of conduct is enacted, it should also include a
> > recommended plan of action for conference organizers so that
> > conference organizers can fall back on a work flow to handle th
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 06:28:58PM -0500, Ted Ts'o wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 09:00:45PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> >
> > Did the victim report the offence to the police?
> >
> > If yes, why wasn't he convicted at court?
>
> If I have a party, I can invite whomever I like. It's a private
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 14:53, Don Armstrong wrote:
> If a model policy of conduct is enacted, it should also include a
> recommended plan of action for conference organizers so that
> conference organizers can fall back on a work flow to handle the
> situation.[1]
For reference, linux.conf.au's
On Thu, 11 Nov 2010, Ian Jackson wrote:
> Don Armstrong writes ("Re: Code of Conduct at events [and 1 more messages]"):
> > Additionally, I am uncertain that a code would have helped
> > mitigate this situation. I refuse to believe that the alleged
> > behavior
Ian Jackson writes:
> Bill Allombert writes ("Re: Code of Conduct at events [and 1 more messages]"):
> > I disagree. If the conference organisers want to wash there hands of
> > the problem, a written policy will not prevent it.
>
> This is a very strange way of
Ian Jackson writes:
> Adrian Bunk writes ("Re: Code of Conduct at events [and 1 more messages]"):
> > Either you can prove someone's guilt (and in the cases we are
> > talking about that implies a conviction at court) or you have to
> > treat him as no
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 09:00:45PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote:
>
> Did the victim report the offence to the police?
>
> If yes, why wasn't he convicted at court?
If I have a party, I can invite whomever I like. It's a private
event, and no one has a fundamental human right to attend a private
par
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 06:18:05PM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
> Adrian Bunk writes ("Re: Code of Conduct at events [and 1 more messages]"):
> > Either you can prove someone's guilt (and in the cases we are talking
> > about that implies a conviction at court) or you
On Thu, 11 Nov 2010, Ian Jackson wrote:
I give up.
You're all a bunch of patriarchal reactionaries.
That is somehow ironic given the proposal this comment abandons.
D
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Adrian Bunk writes ("Re: Code of Conduct at events [and 1 more messages]"):
> Either you can prove someone's guilt (and in the cases we are talking
> about that implies a conviction at court) or you have to treat him as
> non-guilty and not pass discriminating informa
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 02:14:06PM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
> Adrian Bunk writes ("Re: Code of Conduct at events [and 1 more messages]"):
> > Woman accuses man of sexual assault or rape.
> > Man denies it or says it was consensual.
> > No witnesses.
> >
&g
Bill Allombert writes ("Re: Code of Conduct at events [and 1 more messages]"):
> I disagree. If the conference organisers want to wash there hands of
> the problem, a written policy will not prevent it.
This is a very strange way of looking at things. You seem to be
positin
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 02:19:06PM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
> Don Armstrong writes ("Re: Code of Conduct at events [and 1 more messages]"):
> > Additionally, I am uncertain that a code would have helped mitigate
> > this situation. I refuse to believe that the alleged b
Wichert Akkerman writes ("Re: Code of Conduct at events [and 1 more messages]"):
> So hypothetical situation: suppose there is a group of people who do
> brilliant open source work and would like to become a SPI project. But
> they happen to come from a culture with acceptable
Don Armstrong writes ("Re: Code of Conduct at events [and 1 more messages]"):
> Additionally, I am uncertain that a code would have helped mitigate
> this situation. I refuse to believe that the alleged behavior is
> considered acceptable in any extant culture. [Even though
Adrian Bunk writes ("Re: Code of Conduct at events [and 1 more messages]"):
> Woman accuses man of sexual assault or rape.
> Man denies it or says it was consensual.
> No witnesses.
>
> You cannot set any clear guidelines for figuring out in this case which
> pers
David Graham writes ("Re: Code of Conduct at events [and 1 more messages]"):
> On Wed, 10 Nov 2010, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > A written policy does a number of things:
>
> For a guy who comes from a stable western democracy without a written
> constitution you place
On 11/10/10 18:10 , Ian Jackson wrote:
John Goerzen writes ("Re: Code of Conduct at events"):
I'm still not sure that a "code of conduct" is really the right thing.
I'm not attached to the "Code of Conduct" phrase. Another way to put
it would be "Policy on Behaviour at the Conference".
But I
On Wed, 10 Nov 2010, Ian Jackson wrote:
> A written policy does a number of things:
>
> * It clarifies to everyone what is and is not OK. [...]
>
> * It clearly states that the conference organisers are prepared to
>take responsibility.
>
> * It gives the conference organisers clear guidel
On Wed, 2010-11-10 at 15:57 -0500, David Graham wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Nov 2010, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > A written policy does a number of things:
>
> For a guy who comes from a stable western democracy without a written
> constitution you place an awful lot of value on the written word. ;)
>
> My p
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 05:10:58PM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
>...
> A written policy does a number of things:
>...
> * It gives the conference organisers clear guidelines for how they
>should act. This is helpful both because conference organisers
>have a lot on their minds and don't want
On Wed, 10 Nov 2010, Ian Jackson wrote:
A written policy does a number of things:
For a guy who comes from a stable western democracy without a written
constitution you place an awful lot of value on the written word. ;)
My position stands that it is unnecessary and unreasonable for us to
d
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 11:35:08AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote:
> On 11/10/2010 11:26 AM, Julien Danjou wrote:
>
> >My proposal would be rather to write a set of rules that each country
> >has to pass to be eligible to host an event. That would have more sense
> >IMHO, and will be probably more effe
On 11/10/2010 11:26 AM, Julien Danjou wrote:
My proposal would be rather to write a set of rules that each country
has to pass to be eligible to host an event. That would have more sense
IMHO, and will be probably more effective.
That is incredibly difficult to evaluate, because you get into
On Wed, Nov 10 2010, Ian Jackson wrote:
> Julien Danjou writes ("Re: Code of Conduct at events"):
>> I can't see how it can be useful to say to people in a code of conduct
>> what to do and not to do, like e.g. do not kill anyone.
>
> Not put your hand on someone's breast without asking first, for
John Goerzen writes ("Re: Code of Conduct at events"):
> I'm still not sure that a "code of conduct" is really the right thing.
I'm not attached to the "Code of Conduct" phrase. Another way to put
it would be "Policy on Behaviour at the Conference".
But I think it is very valuable that there is
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