[SAtalk] Re: scoring system and values...

2003-11-13 Thread Lukreme
On 12 Nov 2003, at 10:09, Covington, Chris wrote: And it doesn't help that Razor, DCC and Pyzor have a lot of users that report legitimate solicited commercial email as spam (the people that forget to uncheck "send me great offers" when they order a product from a vendor, and then report those vend

[SAtalk] Re: scoring system and values...

2003-11-11 Thread Lukreme
On 11 Nov 2003, at 12:17, Larry Gilson wrote: I don't know if this really fits in this subject or not. However, I keep thinking while reading this thread if anyone considers real opt-in advertisements/messages that get tagged by SA (like from OshKosh, Travelocity, Lands' End, etc.) to be a FP or

Re: [SAtalk] Re: scoring system and values...

2003-11-11 Thread Terry Milnes
Lukreme wrote: On 10 Nov 2003, at 07:33, Terry Milnes wrote: The typical user is capable of making toast in his electric toaster, but when it comes to the overwhelming complexities involved in operating a computer he is totally lost. He will become extremely agitated when he looses the *REALLY

[SAtalk] Re: scoring system and values...

2003-11-10 Thread Lukreme
On 10 Nov 2003, at 07:33, Terry Milnes wrote: The typical user is capable of making toast in his electric toaster, but when it comes to the overwhelming complexities involved in operating a computer he is totally lost. He will become extremely agitated when he looses the *REALLY IMPORTANT* email

Re: [SAtalk] Re: scoring system and values...

2003-11-10 Thread Terry Milnes
Lukreme wrote: On 08 Nov 2003, at 06:46, Terry Milnes wrote: Some of us though are system administrators and need a solution to offer to the end users. The typical end user wants to open their email and see no spam, period. Since the definition of spam varies from person to person that is sim

RE: [SAtalk] Re: scoring system and values...

2003-11-09 Thread Dan Kohn
IL PROTECTED] Subject: [SAtalk] Re: scoring system and values... On 08 Nov 2003, at 22:34, Dan Kohn wrote: > I recommend allowing > mistake-based training of the small number of false negatives (I use > procmail for this as described at > <http://www.dankohn.com/archives/000323.htm&

[SAtalk] Re: scoring system and values...

2003-11-09 Thread Lukreme
On 08 Nov 2003, at 06:46, Terry Milnes wrote: Some of us though are system administrators and need a solution to offer to the end users. The typical end user wants to open their email and see no spam, period. Since the definition of spam varies from person to person that is simply not possible

[SAtalk] Re: scoring system and values...

2003-11-09 Thread Lukreme
On 08 Nov 2003, at 22:34, Dan Kohn wrote: I recommend allowing mistake-based training of the small number of false negatives (I use procmail for this as described at ). that link does not load. -- we all have our moments when we lose it the key is thou

Re: [SAtalk] Re: scoring system and values...

2003-11-09 Thread Justin Mason
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lukreme writes: >Now, for your purposes, subjects with [word blacklisted by stupid list >server] might be exclusively spam. They might not be exclusively spam >for others. That's why you can override any score in your own cf file. > If you want

[SAtalk] Re: scoring system and values...

2003-11-09 Thread Lukreme
On 07 Nov 2003, at 08:29, Maarten J H van den Berg wrote: Just being curious at how this system came about... As I understand it by feeding millions of spam and ham messages to the filters and seeing what sticks. Now, for your purposes, subjects with [word blacklisted by stupid list server] migh