Re: shutdown of pgpkeys.co.uk and pgpkeys.uk

2021-06-23 Thread Andrew Gallagher
On 23/06/2021 18:30, Gunnar Wolf wrote: Well, for people who have been running SKS lately -- Is dealing with GDPR requests something you have to deal with often on an ongoing basis? I cannot answer, as I shut down my server about two years ago (and neither my server nor myself are in Europe). I

Re: shutdown of pgpkeys.co.uk and pgpkeys.uk

2021-06-23 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Wiktor Kwapisiewicz dijo [Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 08:29:04AM +0200]: > > (For full disclosure: I recently joined a PhD program, and my study > > subject is how to keep the decentralized properties of the WoT network > > while at the same time being able to counter the attacks we have seen > > on it).

Re: shutdown of pgpkeys.co.uk and pgpkeys.uk

2021-06-23 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Andrew Gallagher dijo [Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 10:12:14AM +0100]: > Making sks-keyservers.net point to somewhere that still works has merit. I > would be cautious about taking it on though, as whoever owns it will inherit > Kristian's GDPR problems. You would need to be prepared to respond to RTBF > r

Re: shutdown of pgpkeys.co.uk and pgpkeys.uk

2021-06-23 Thread Andrew Gallagher
On 23/06/2021 10:36, Gabor Kiss wrote: On Wed, 23 Jun 2021, Andrew Gallagher wrote: Actually sks-keyservers.net (or its successor) is just a web page that shows statistics about key servers. That should not public at all so it would not attract any GDPR complaints. In the context of this threa

Re: shutdown of pgpkeys.co.uk and pgpkeys.uk

2021-06-23 Thread Gabor Kiss
On Wed, 23 Jun 2021, Andrew Gallagher wrote: > Making sks-keyservers.net point to somewhere that still works has merit. I > would be cautious about taking it on though, as whoever owns it will inherit > Kristian's GDPR problems. You would need to be prepared to respond to RTBF > requests in a time

Re: shutdown of pgpkeys.co.uk and pgpkeys.uk

2021-06-23 Thread Andrew Gallagher
On 23/06/2021 06:27, Gunnar Wolf wrote: Andreas Puls dijo [Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 09:32:50PM +0200]: A new domain must be established into the "world". Maybe Kristian would transfer the domain / software to one of us. So we could run it on our own. I agree, having a well established name behin

Re: shutdown of pgpkeys.co.uk and pgpkeys.uk

2021-06-22 Thread Wiktor Kwapisiewicz
Hi Gunnar, > Hagrid is IMO a no-go: in order to solve the greatest shortcomings of > SKS, it drops one of OpenPGP's greatest features: the Web of > Trust. Yes, for many, the WoT is an anachronistic holdout... But many > among us still believe in it. > > (...) > > (For full disclosure: I recently j

Re: shutdown of pgpkeys.co.uk and pgpkeys.uk

2021-06-22 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Andreas Puls dijo [Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 09:32:50PM +0200]: > A new domain must be established into the "world". Maybe Kristian would > transfer the domain / software to one of us. So we could run it on our own. I agree, having a well established name behind helps. Furthermore, sks-keyservers.net i

Re: shutdown of pgpkeys.co.uk and pgpkeys.uk

2021-06-22 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Andreas Puls dijo [Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 09:32:50PM +0200]: > Hey all, > > as far as i know Hagrid doesn't support "peering" like SKS or > Hockeypuck. Regarding the latter one I'm running 3 Keyserver with it. > It's working very well and also support key blacklisting and ignores > huge subkeys. A l

Re: shutdown of pgpkeys.co.uk and pgpkeys.uk

2021-06-22 Thread Jeremy T. Bouse
Actually, my research into Hagrid appears to indicate that it performs the functions of HKP and WKS/WKD. The lack of ability to synchronize keys being the biggest issue. The lack of third-party signatures is regrettable as it does essentially neuter the keys retrieved as far as a web of trust goes.

Re: shutdown of pgpkeys.co.uk and pgpkeys.uk

2021-06-22 Thread Jeremy T. Bouse
Actually my research into Hagrid appears to indicate that it performs the functions of HKP and WKS/WKD. The lack of ability to syncrohnize On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 3:52 PM Andrew Gallagher wrote: > On 22/06/2021 19:28, Kiss Gabor (Bitman) wrote: > > On Tue, 22 Jun 2021, Todd Fleisher wrote: > > >

Re: shutdown of pgpkeys.co.uk and pgpkeys.uk

2021-06-22 Thread Andrew Gallagher
On 22/06/2021 19:28, Kiss Gabor (Bitman) wrote: On Tue, 22 Jun 2021, Todd Fleisher wrote: This service is deprecated. This means it is no longer maintained, and new HKPS certificates will not be issued. Service reliability should not be expected. Update 2021-06-21: Due to even more GDPR tak

Re: shutdown of pgpkeys.co.uk and pgpkeys.uk

2021-06-22 Thread Jeremy T. Bouse
Yes, I've come to the same conclusion that Hagrid does not at this point in time have any means of federation or "peering". I don't know enough about Hockeypuck myself and had only briefly looked at it before in the past. One of the major issues with the way peering worked with SKS that was keeping

Re: shutdown of pgpkeys.co.uk and pgpkeys.uk

2021-06-22 Thread Andreas Puls
Hey all, as far as i know Hagrid doesn't support "peering" like SKS or Hockeypuck. Regarding the latter one I'm running 3 Keyserver with it. It's working very well and also support key blacklisting and ignores huge subkeys. A little downside is only the "heavy" read / write consumption compared

Re: shutdown of pgpkeys.co.uk and pgpkeys.uk

2021-06-22 Thread Skip Carter
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 So ... should the SKS holdouts (myself included) switch to hockeypuck ? This service is vital, some version of it should live on. - -- Dr Everett (Skip) Carter 0x8176163B s...@taygeta.com Taygeta Scientific Inc 607 Charles Ave Seaside CA 93955 83

Re: shutdown of pgpkeys.co.uk and pgpkeys.uk

2021-06-22 Thread Jeremy T. Bouse
In all honesty, as much as I would like to restore my own key server and make it available as a public resource I think realistically looking at the SKS software with objective eyes there are flaws that would have to be addressed or the same situation would persist. The manner in which the software

Re: shutdown of pgpkeys.co.uk and pgpkeys.uk

2021-06-22 Thread Kiss Gabor (Bitman)
On Tue, 22 Jun 2021, Todd Fleisher wrote: > This service is deprecated. This means it is no longer maintained, and new > HKPS certificates will not be issued. Service reliability should not be > expected. > > Update 2021-06-21: Due to even more GDPR takedown requests, the DNS records > for the

Re: shutdown of pgpkeys.co.uk and pgpkeys.uk

2021-06-22 Thread Todd Fleisher
Sorry to see it end this way, but to Dan’s point all the rugs are being pulled out from under this service. I will continue running my nodes, but it does seem like the official SKS key server network has reached the end of the road. As of yesterday, all of the pool DNS records were pulled. If yo