Re: [Sdcc-user] documentation & open source generally

2008-09-03 Thread Richard Gray
CYGWIN, I believe, allows some native Linux programs to run on a Windows machine, as WINE allows some Windows programs to run on a Linux machine. By native I mean a simple copy of the binary executable file transferred from one machine to the other. There may well be other shells/emulators that

Re: [Sdcc-user] documentation & open source generally

2008-09-03 Thread Richard Erlacher
Sadly, though you may know, you haven't shed light on WHY this SDCC stuff isn't promoted as a DOS program, rather than a Windows program. If it requires an add-on to Windows, WHY? What does that do? Do you seen what I mean? Why is there a CYGWIN? ... and what's that other one MINGW ... or so

Re: [Sdcc-user] documentation & open source generally

2008-09-03 Thread Richard Erlacher
Nobody's complaining about the software being "free." I'm complaining about it being incompletely documented. People have got to realize that documentation is 95% of the work, which is why it doesn't get done, and the work isn't complete until the paperwork is done. regards, Richard Erlacher

Re: [Sdcc-user] documentation & open source generally

2008-09-03 Thread Mark Swayne
Dave McGuire wrote: > On Sep 2, 2008, at 7:13 PM, Richard Erlacher wrote: > >> Further there's so much discussion of various ways and things-to- >> install to >> make Windows look like *nix. Is that necessary, and, if so, why? >> > ... > >> Why doesn't this stuff work with normal DOS c

Re: [Sdcc-user] [sdcc-devel] We need more high-level optimizations

2008-09-03 Thread Lin Rongrong
Philipp, I tested SDCC 2.8.3 sdcc-src-20080903-5228 snapshot on our Z80 project today. The result is really good. The original 2.8.0 compiler gives code size of 168411 bytes, and this new snapshot reduced the code size to 162208 bytes, a 3.7% improve! Thanks for the great work. Woody

Re: [Sdcc-user] documentation & open source generally

2008-09-03 Thread Richard Erlacher
see below, please. regards, Richard Erlacher - Original Message - From: "Dave McGuire" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 12:08 AM Subject: Re: [Sdcc-user] documentation & open source generally > On Sep 3, 2008, at 2:02 AM, Richard Erlacher wrote: >> BTW, Dav

Re: [Sdcc-user] documentation & open source generally

2008-09-03 Thread Xiaofan Chen
On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Art Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > After years with M$ base and commercial products I miss only one or two. > I know it's not easy to switch (keeping bread on the table is rather > important) but it's worth it. That is the key point. No matter what you do not l

Re: [Sdcc-user] documentation & open source generally

2008-09-03 Thread Art Clarke
Crikey, that's doing it the hard way Richard! I've got various flavours of Unix kicking around too, right back to SCO Xenix. Have a look at Debian Linux and in particular the Ubuntu packaging of that variant. About the only thing I haven't yet got a solution to satisfy my needs on that OS varia