Re: Dependence on nonfree software

2020-11-17 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
> "A different case is when the program talks across a network with > a server running on another machine, and the server is proprietary or > has an unknown license; unless the two pieces of software make a > single program (for example because they exchange complex data > structur

Re: Dependence on nonfree software

2020-11-17 Thread Svetlana Tkachenko
Hi Alfred Right. Replace "ecosystem" with 'More and more of the software hosted at GNU Savannah'. It seems bad enough to me, in cases when the server's latest version is documented by nobody and is proprietary. Then it is only its older revisions that were successfully reverse engineered and "d

Re: Dependence on nonfree software

2020-11-17 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
Hi Alfred Right. Replace "ecosystem" with 'More and more of the software hosted at GNU Savannah'. It seems bad enough to me, in cases when the server's latest version is documented by nobody and is proprietary. Then it is only its older revisions that were successfully rever

Re: Dependence on nonfree software

2020-11-17 Thread Christopher Dimech
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Re: Dependence on nonfree software

2020-11-17 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
> How is that different from a latest version that is not documented, > and free software? After all, you don't need to provide the source > code for the free software server program. Use the Gnu Affero GPL and the free software server program must be provided for users of the serv

Re: Dependence on nonfree software

2020-11-17 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
So I think the Savannah hosting rules need to be modified to say that the criterion is about nonfree software to be run on the user's own computers, and that it does not apply to communication with services run by other people or entities. Would someone like to work on a draft of th

Re: Dependence on nonfree software

2020-11-17 Thread Christopher Dimech
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 at 5:53 PM > From: "Alfred M. Szmidt" > To: "Christopher Dimech" > Cc: svetl...@members.fsf.org, savannah-hackers@gnu.org > Subject: Re: Dependence on nonfree software > >> How is that different from a latest version that is not documented, >> and free s

Re: Dependence on nonfree software

2020-11-17 Thread Christopher Dimech
For software intended to run on servers, the Gnu Affero GPL must be a requirement. Otherwise it will break Freedom 1. - Christopher Dimech General Administrator - Naiad Informatics - GNU Project (Geocomputation) - Geophysical Simulation - Geological Subsurface Mapping - Disast

Re: Dependence on nonfree software

2020-11-17 Thread Svetlana Tkachenko
For example, free software client to Google Docs (imagine for a moment they have an API) may be submitted to GNU Savannah. Would it become approved as free software at GNU Savannah? To my knowledge, Google Docs clearly is classified as "Service as Software Substitute".

Re: Dependence on nonfree software

2020-11-17 Thread Andrea G. Monaco
> For example, free software client to Google Docs (imagine for a moment they > have an API) may be submitted to GNU Savannah. Would it become approved as > free > software at GNU Savannah? To my knowledge, Google Docs clearly is classified > as > "Service as Software Substitute". Th

Re: Dependence on nonfree software

2020-11-17 Thread Christopher Dimech
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 at 11:53 PM > From: "Andrea G. Monaco" > To: savannah-hackers@gnu.org > Subject: Re: Dependence on nonfree software > > > > For example, free software client to Google Docs (imagine for a moment they > > have an API) may be submitted to GNU Savannah. Would it

Re: Dependence on nonfree software

2020-11-17 Thread Ian Kelling
Svetlana Tkachenko writes: > For example, free software client to Google Docs (imagine for a moment they > have an API) may be submitted to GNU Savannah. Would it become approved as > free software at GNU Savannah? To my knowledge, Google Docs clearly is > classified as "Service as Software

Re: Dependence on nonfree software

2020-11-17 Thread Richard Stallman
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > From reading the requirements, I think it is already clear that > requirement i

Re: Dependence on nonfree software

2020-11-17 Thread Richard Stallman
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > For software intended to run on servers, the Gnu Affero GPL must be a requiremen