[sane-devel] Please give me some help to solve the license issues in using sane

2008-06-06 Thread Olaf Meeuwissen
Johannes Meixner writes: > I have another question: > > Assume because of whatever reason a scanner manufacturer > cannot make a free backend (e.g. because of third-party > license stuff, or just because the upper management at the > manufacturer is full of fear that another manufacturer might >

[sane-devel] Please give me some help to solve the license issues in using sane

2008-06-06 Thread Olaf Meeuwissen
"m. allan noah" writes: > On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 3:49 AM, Johannes Meixner wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> On Jun 4 21:02 m. allan noah wrote (shortened): >>> >>> SANE is GPL, with an added exception to allow proprietary front-end >>> programs to link against it. What you are suggesting is the opposit

[sane-devel] Branch for sane-frontends

2008-06-06 Thread stef
Le Thursday 05 June 2008 14:00:22 m. allan noah, vous avez ?crit?: > On 6/4/08, stef wrote: > > Hello, > > > > to maintain the curent 1.0.x version of sane-backends I propose > > to tag current sources with: > > DEVEL_1_0_TRUNK > > i just made this tag. > > > Then make a b

[sane-devel] Please give me some help to solve the license issues in using sane

2008-06-06 Thread Johannes Meixner
Hello, On Jun 5 11:30 m. allan noah wrote (shortened): > Sane is not here to provide sanei for proprietary backends to steal. Many thanks! Now it is clear for me! Kind Regards Johannes Meixner -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstrasse 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany AG Nuernberg, HRB 16746, GF:

[sane-devel] Please give me some help to solve the license issues in using sane

2008-06-06 Thread Wang Mengqiang
Theodore Kilgore, Thank you for your ardent reply. I feel your earnest expectation to improve the communication with hardware manufacture. But, very sorry, I am afraid I have no ability to take this responsibility. Thank you sharing the possible reasons on the block of communication. Whate

[sane-devel] Please give me some help to solve the license issues in using sane

2008-06-06 Thread Johannes Meixner
Hello, On 5 Jun Wang Mengqiang wrote (shortened): > we plan to use several special modules which do not contain > any open source code from sane or other party, because they > contain some tecnology that we do not want to open. > So, that is, our backend is composed of two parts, > one part is o

[sane-devel] Please give me some help to solve the license issues in using sane

2008-06-06 Thread Alessandro Zummo
On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 09:24:25 +0900 Olaf Meeuwissen wrote: > > If GPL'd code uses a non-compatible library via dlopen that's just as > much a violation as linking to it directly. The code runs in the same > process space. That makes the combined work a derivative, so, all the > terms of the GPL

[sane-devel] Please give me some help to solve the license issues in using sane

2008-06-06 Thread m. allan noah
On 6/6/08, Alessandro Zummo wrote: > On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 09:24:25 +0900 > > Olaf Meeuwissen wrote: > > > > > If GPL'd code uses a non-compatible library via dlopen that's just as > > much a violation as linking to it directly. The code runs in the same > > process space. That makes the combi

[sane-devel] Please give me some help to solve the license issues in using sane

2008-06-06 Thread Alessandro Zummo
On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 09:54:13 -0400 "m. allan noah" > gpl faq is pretty clear on this one: > > If the modules are included in the same executable file, they are > definitely combined in one program. If modules are designed to run > linked together in a shared address space, that almost surely mean

[sane-devel] Please give me some help to solve the license issues in using sane

2008-06-06 Thread m. allan noah
On 6/6/08, Alessandro Zummo wrote: > On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 09:54:13 -0400 > "m. allan noah" > > > > gpl faq is pretty clear on this one: > > > > If the modules are included in the same executable file, they are > > definitely combined in one program. If modules are designed to run > > linked t

[sane-devel] Please give me some help to solve the license issues in using sane

2008-06-06 Thread kilg...@banach.math.auburn.edu
On Fri, 6 Jun 2008, Wang Mengqiang wrote: > Theodore Kilgore, > > Thank you for your ardent reply. > > I feel your earnest expectation to improve the communication with hardware > manufacture. But, very sorry, I am afraid I have no ability to take this > responsibility. > > Thank you sharing t

[sane-devel] Please give me some help to solve the license issues in using sane

2008-06-06 Thread Alessandro Zummo
On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 10:26:04 -0400 "m. allan noah" wrote: > > no, the GPL is all about derivative works and combining code, it makes > no difference the direction: You are probably right, the closest entry in the faq that describes this situation seems to be http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-fa

[sane-devel] Please give me some help to solve the license issues in using sane

2008-06-06 Thread Alessandro Zummo
On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 16:36:39 +0200 Alessandro Zummo wrote: > On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 10:26:04 -0400 > "m. allan noah" wrote: > > > > > no, the GPL is all about derivative works and combining code, it makes > > no difference the direction: > > You are probably right, the closest entry in the faq th

[sane-devel] Please give me some help to solve the license issues in using sane

2008-06-06 Thread m. allan noah
On 6/6/08, Alessandro Zummo wrote: > On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 16:36:39 +0200 > > Alessandro Zummo wrote: > > > > On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 10:26:04 -0400 > > "m. allan noah" wrote: > > > > > > > > no, the GPL is all about derivative works and combining code, it makes > > > no difference the direction: >

[sane-devel] Please give me some help to solve the license issues in using sane

2008-06-06 Thread Alessandro Zummo
On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 11:10:52 -0400 "m. allan noah" wrote: > yes- this seems reasonable, however, this 'program' cannot be derived > from existing GPL'd software that does not already have this added > permission, because that would change the original program's license > without permission of the

[sane-devel] Please give me some help to solve the license issues in using sane

2008-06-06 Thread m. allan noah
On 6/6/08, Alessandro Zummo wrote: > On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 11:10:52 -0400 > > "m. allan noah" wrote: > > > > yes- this seems reasonable, however, this 'program' cannot be derived > > from existing GPL'd software that does not already have this added > > permission, because that would change the or

[sane-devel] Please give me some help to solve the license issues in using sane

2008-06-06 Thread Daniel Glöckner
On Fri, Jun 06, 2008 at 11:10:52AM -0400, m. allan noah wrote: > 3. you can write a partly free backend, that dynamically links to the > closed parts, provided that you place a license exception in the free > part allowing said linking. you cannot use any code from SANE, other > than sane.h and the

[sane-devel] problems with genesys and MD6228

2008-06-06 Thread Werner Holtfreter
Am Mittwoch, 4. Juni 2008 21:09:56 schrieb stef: > you can compile and test CVS without installing it system-wide. > In a command shell, create a directory then 'cd' to it. > First you have to get the sources with (see > http://www.sane-project.org/cvs.html): > > cvs -d:pserver:anonymo

[sane-devel] problems with genesys and MD6228

2008-06-06 Thread stef
Le Friday 06 June 2008 20:15:36 Werner Holtfreter, vous avez ?crit?: > Am Mittwoch, 4. Juni 2008 21:09:56 schrieb stef: > > you can compile and test CVS without installing it system-wide. > > In a command shell, create a directory then 'cd' to it. > > First you have to get the sources with