Re: [sage-edu] *Independently* doing Sage notebooks doesn't seem to work in high school...

2009-12-09 Thread michel paul
Well, I started by having them construct very simple algebraic functions like f(x) = 2^x - 5, in both Python and Sage syntax, and then asking them to create lists of ordered pairs such as [(x, f(x)) for x in [-10..10]]. We did a bunch of these in the lab one day till they were comfortable creating

Re: [sage-edu] *Independently* doing Sage notebooks doesn't seem to work in high school...

2009-12-09 Thread calcpage
>> So, for example, write a function that will return a list of the reciprocals of the values in list L. Now write a function, harmonic(n), that will return the nth harmonic number making use of the previous reciprocal function. Yeah, I had to ask just the right questions, and it was a lot of

Re: [sage-edu] *Independently* doing Sage notebooks doesn't seem to work in high school...

2009-12-09 Thread michel paul
> Sound familiar to anyone? Absolutely! Yeah, the average HS student just wants to be told what to do. So this has been very tricky - how to get the kids to use something like Sage/Python as a way to explore ideas on their own when all they really want is to be told exactly what steps to follow t

Re: [sage-edu] Re: *Independently* doing Sage notebooks doesn't seem to work in high school...

2009-12-09 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Chris Seberino wrote: > > > On Dec 9, 11:22 am, William Stein wrote: >> Are you physically with the students or is this all being done over >> the internet with chat? > > online with phone conference > >> My experience with (unusually bright, enthusiastic) high sc

[sage-edu] Re: *Independently* doing Sage notebooks doesn't seem to work in high school...

2009-12-09 Thread Chris Seberino
On Dec 9, 11:22 am, William Stein wrote: > Are you physically with the students or is this all being done over > the internet with chat? online with phone conference > My experience with (unusually bright, enthusiastic) high school > students is that they can be far less inhibited about asking

Re: [sage-edu] *Independently* doing Sage notebooks doesn't seem to work in high school...

2009-12-09 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Chris Seberino wrote: > I tried an experiment where new math topics are introduced by having > students independently work through Sage notebooks. > > Rather than me pushing info to the students in a dialog, they were > supposed to ask me questions when they got stu

[sage-edu] *Independently* doing Sage notebooks doesn't seem to work in high school...

2009-12-09 Thread Chris Seberino
I tried an experiment where new math topics are introduced by having students independently work through Sage notebooks. Rather than me pushing info to the students in a dialog, they were supposed to ask me questions when they got stuck on something in the Sage notebook. It seems that high studen

[sage-edu] Re: Obtaining 3D plot data files (Jmol files)

2009-12-09 Thread Jonathan
Paul, Jmol has already solved this problem. The issue is that we have to convert the type of files that are produced for Jmol in SAGE. For the time being you can use the same method that SAGE uses. In the directory you will find two files: 1) A file with the extension .jmol. This is a short