Re: [sage-devel] PROPOSAL: remove python3 spkg from Sage

2025-04-01 Thread chris wuthrich
Would that mean that users (like me) will have to downgrade python provided by their distribution at times - or to learn how to use multiple version of python? Maybe documentation of what is recommended for this would be necessary. In general, it could make sage less accessible to a mathematic

Re: [sage-devel] Error Building Sage

2025-04-01 Thread Dima Pasechnik
Hi, yes, I can reproduce this problem with a fresh Conda. That is, our instructions https://doc.sagemath.org/html/en/installation/conda.html#using-conda-to-provide-all-dependencies-for-the-sage-library to build Sage 10.6.on Apple arm64 (M1/2/3/4) using Conda are not working. That's, well, a bit emb

Re: [sage-devel] PROPOSAL: remove python3 spkg from Sage

2025-04-01 Thread Trevor Karn
> > In general, it could make sage less accessible to a mathematician who uses > only sage, maybe only through the notebook, never python otherwise. I am > not against it, but it may need some caution, not to increase the barrier > to use sage for the non-developers. This is my concern. But if th

Re: [sage-devel] PROPOSAL: remove python3 spkg from Sage

2025-04-01 Thread Nils Bruin
I do recall a system python upgrade on Fedora a while ago where python was replaced/updated in a way that was binary incompatible. As a result, my source-built sage was rendered non-functional. Recompiling worked but of course "make" wouldn't find which prerequisites were changed and hence whic

Re: [sage-devel] Error Building Sage

2025-04-01 Thread Dima Pasechnik
I think this is fixed by https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/39850 (where I correctly identify the cause) On Tuesday, April 1, 2025 at 2:43:17 PM UTC-5 Dima Pasechnik wrote: > Hi, > yes, I can reproduce this problem with a fresh Conda. That is, our > instructions > > https://doc.sagemath.org/

Re: [sage-devel] gap-packages in conda

2025-04-01 Thread Dima Pasechnik
there is presently some kind of mess with GAP packages (i.e. "full" GAP) in Conda - only GAP 4.13 is available, no GAP 4.14. And that GAP 4.13 is not compatible with Sage, as it uses old libflint and arb. I have opened https://github.com/conda-forge/gap-feedstock/issues/94 On Friday, March 7, 20

Re: [sage-devel] PROPOSAL: remove python3 spkg from Sage

2025-04-01 Thread David Lowry-Duda
On 10:50 Tue 01 Apr 2025, Trevor Karn wrote: This is my concern. But if there is a way to use only system python installed following https://www.python.org/about/gettingstarted/ without regard to version issues, and get rid of SPKG python, then that makes sense to me. I think sage currently che

Re: [sage-devel] PROPOSAL: remove python3 spkg from Sage

2025-04-01 Thread Dima Pasechnik
On Tue, Apr 1, 2025 at 10:57 AM David Lowry-Duda wrote: > > On 10:50 Tue 01 Apr 2025, Trevor Karn wrote: > >This is my concern. But if there is a way to use only system python > >installed following https://www.python.org/about/gettingstarted/ without > >regard to version issues, and get rid of SP