Is there no way to have users of the wiki add their universities
themselves? I've seen collaborative maps elsewhere.
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On Nov 23, 9:33 am, Pablo Angulo wrote:
> Is there no way to have users of the wiki add their universities
> themselves? I've seen collaborative maps elsewhere.
Well, what do you mean by users of the wiki. Nearly all of the entries
on that wiki page are by me. I found them by analyzing the referr
Good morning sage-devel,
This from a user I don't think we were previously aware of: "I was
planning to begin conversion of my Mathematica materials to Sage over
the holiday break, so your workshop comes at an opportune time."
I'll also point out heavy interest and lots of support from the
Northe
Florent Hivert wrote:
> Hi there,
>
>> Regarding deprecation, we already hashed this out in a previous thread
>> quite some time ago.
>>
>> * Use the official deprecation(...) function when deprecating a function.
>>
>> * We can tell precisely what is deprecated and when by simply
>> loo
>From the proposal
... and which has sophisti-
cated interfaces to nearly all other mathematics software, including
Mathematica, Maple,
MATLAB and Magma. ...
Maxima just gets no respect. :)
Most of the facilities mentioned are already in Maxima.
And why is Cython much more than a Python to C
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 8:28 AM, rjf wrote:
> From the proposal
>
>
> ... and which has sophisti-
> cated interfaces to nearly all other mathematics software, including
> Mathematica, Maple,
> MATLAB and Magma. ...
>
>
> Maxima just gets no respect. :)
> Most of the facilities mentioned are alread
On Nov 23, 4:38 pm, William Stein wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 8:28 AM, rjf wrote:
> > From the proposal
>
> > ... and which has sophisti-
> > cated interfaces to nearly all other mathematics software, including
> > Mathematica, Maple,
> > MATLAB and Magma. ...
>
> > Maxima just gets no respe
Hi Jason
> > Speaking about deprecation, I posted a patch #7515 which does two things:
> >
> > 1 - Add an option called ``version`` do deprecation where you can put the
> > information on since which version of sage this thing was deprecated:
> >
> > sage: def bar():
> > ..
> > Speaking about deprecation, I posted a patch #7515 which does two things:
> >
> > 1 - Add an option called ``version`` do deprecation where you can put the
> > information on since which version of sage this thing was deprecated:
> >
> > sage: def bar():
> > ... sage.misc.misc.
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Simon King wrote:
> On Nov 23, 4:38 pm, William Stein wrote:
>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 8:28 AM, rjf wrote:
>> > From the proposal
>>
>> > ... and which has sophisti-
>> > cated interfaces to nearly all other mathematics software, including
>> > Mathematica, Mapl
On Nov 23, 8:28 am, rjf wrote:
> From the proposal
[snip]
> And why is Cython much more than a Python to C translator? (This is
> not sarcasm. I honestly have no idea that it was more.
> I thought it was, if anything, less.)
Look at the section on "Cython and Numerical Computation" for some
wa
On Nov 23, 9:55 am, William Stein wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Simon King wrote:
> > "Sage provides the capabilities of a wide range of open source
> > mathematical and non-mathematical software, such as GAP, JMol, Maxima,
> > Numpy, Pari/GP, R, Scipy, Singular, Tachyon and Twiste
On Nov 23, 2009, at 9:23 AM, Florent Hivert wrote:
> Hi Jason
>
>>> Speaking about deprecation, I posted a patch #7515 which does two
>>> things:
>>>
>>> 1 - Add an option called ``version`` do deprecation where you can
>>> put the
>>> information on since which version of sage this thing
rjf wrote:
> From the proposal
>
>
> and which has sophisti-
> cated interfaces to nearly all other mathematics software, including
> Mathematica, Maple,
> MATLAB and Magma. ...
>
>
> Maxima just gets no respect. :)
>
>
> Most of the facilities mentioned are already in Maxima.
>
[...]
>
> You are so funny. You remind me of the sour old men in the public of
> the Muppet show. Complaining all the time, but not looking what's
> really happening.
Statler and Waldorf.
Also, unless we predict the immediate demise of Sage's integration,
(hopefully soon) summation (review this please
Hi William!
On 23 Nov., 18:55, William Stein wrote:
[...]
> Maxima started in the 1960s, whereas Singular, Pari, GAP are from the
> 1990s, right? Venerable = "accorded a great deal of respect, esp.
> because of age"
My impression was that the word "venerable" (used *twice* in the
proposal) by
Minh,
The patch may have been merged into sage-4.1.2.
But it is NOT in sage-4.2.1.
Just do (in sage-4.2.1) "./sage -sh".
I expect to see (at the end)
*
/home/mariah/sage/sage-4.2.1-x86_64-Linux-core2-fc
sage subshell$
*
Yet what I see is just
*
Bypassing shell configuration files .
On Nov 23, 11:56 am, Mariah wrote:
> Minh,
>
> The patch may have been merged into sage-4.1.2.
> But it is NOT in sage-4.2.1.
>
> Just do (in sage-4.2.1) "./sage -sh".
> I expect to see (at the end)
>
> *
> /home/mariah/sage/sage-4.2.1-x86_64-Linux-core2-fc
> sage subshell$
> *
This is wh
On Nov 23, 11:18 am, Simon King wrote:
> Hi William!
>
> On 23 Nov., 18:55, William Stein wrote:
> [...]
>
> > Maxima started in the 1960s, whereas Singular, Pari, GAP are from the
> > 1990s, right? Venerable = "accorded a great deal of respect, esp.
> > because of age"
>
> My impression was th
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 12:27 PM, John H Palmieri
wrote:
> On Nov 23, 11:18 am, Simon King wrote:
>> Hi William!
>>
>> On 23 Nov., 18:55, William Stein wrote:
>> [...]
>>
>> > Maxima started in the 1960s, whereas Singular, Pari, GAP are from the
>> > 1990s, right? Venerable = "accorded a great
> >> Of course, when writing code, we have no idea what date the next
> >> release
> >> would be, and sometimes are mistaken about the release that the patch
> >> will be included in as well. How should we take care of this
> >> patch-updating problem?
> >
> > I've been lazy to raise this proble
On Nov 23, 8:38 am, William Stein wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 8:28 AM, rjf wrote:
> > From the proposal
>
> > ... and which has sophisti-
> > cated interfaces to nearly all other mathematics software, including
> > Mathematica, Maple,
> > MATLAB and Magma. ...
>
> > Maxima just gets no res
Definition of venerable:
1. Commanding respect by virtue of age, dignity, character, or
position.
2. Worthy of reverence, especially by religious or historical
association.
For the non-native English speakers (and maybe others) in the group,
it may be useful to point out that
labeling somethin
Florent Hivert wrote:
Of course, when writing code, we have no idea what date the next
release
would be, and sometimes are mistaken about the release that the patch
will be included in as well. How should we take care of this
patch-updating problem?
>>> I've been lazy to
On Nov 23, 3:30 pm, William Stein wrote:
> That is true. In fact, I hope in the proposal to not insult or snub
> non-free commercial software either.
But William, just two days ago on sage-support you wrote:
"Let's put Mathworks out of business."
http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support/brows
mark mcclure wrote:
> On Nov 23, 3:30 pm, William Stein wrote:
>> That is true. In fact, I hope in the proposal to not insult or snub
>> non-free commercial software either.
>
> But William, just two days ago on sage-support you wrote:
> "Let's put Mathworks out of business."
> http://groups.goo
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 01:04:25PM -0800, rjf wrote:
> > > Actually, while Maxima includes library access to Fortran methods, it
> > > is far inferior to what could be done in numeric integration,
> > > as demonstrated by recent Mathematica versions. You would hardly get a
> > > hint that 75% of t
mark mcclure wrote:
> On Nov 23, 3:30 pm, William Stein wrote:
>> That is true. In fact, I hope in the proposal to not insult or snub
>> non-free commercial software either.
>
> But William, just two days ago on sage-support you wrote:
> "Let's put Mathworks out of business."
> http://groups.goo
Jaap Spies wrote:
> mark mcclure wrote:
>
>> On Nov 23, 3:30 pm, William Stein wrote:
>>
>>> That is true. In fact, I hope in the proposal to not insult or snub
>>> non-free commercial software either.
>>>
>> But William, just two days ago on sage-support you wrote:
>> "Let's put M
Jaap Spies writes:
> mark mcclure wrote:
>> On Nov 23, 3:30 pm, William Stein wrote:
>>> That is true. In fact, I hope in the proposal to not insult or snub
>>> non-free commercial software either.
>>
>> But William, just two days ago on sage-support you wrote:
>> "Let's put Mathworks out of b
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 7:04 PM, rjf wrote:
> That's helpful. Forgive me for asking for information. I see,
> somewhat later, that this has to do with adding type declarations.
> Just the ticket. To me is suggests that Python is inappropriate for
> numerical work -- for which C is more appropri
It's time for this thread to move to sage-flame. Please no more
messages on sage-devel.
Nick
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Martin Rubey wrote:
> Jaap Spies writes:
>
>> mark mcclure wrote:
>>> On Nov 23, 3:30 pm, William Stein wrote:
That is true. In fact, I hope in the proposal to not insult or snub
non-free commercial software either.
>>> But William, just two days ago on sage-support you wrote:
>>> "Le
On Nov 23, 2009, at 1:22 PM, Jason Grout wrote:
> Florent Hivert wrote:
> Of course, when writing code, we have no idea what date the next
> release
> would be, and sometimes are mistaken about the release that the
> patch
> will be included in as well. How should we take ca
On Nov 23, 2009, at 12:05 PM, John H Palmieri wrote:
> On Nov 23, 11:56 am, Mariah wrote:
>> Minh,
>>
>> The patch may have been merged into sage-4.1.2.
>> But it is NOT in sage-4.2.1.
>>
>> Just do (in sage-4.2.1) "./sage -sh".
>> I expect to see (at the end)
>>
>> *
>> /home/mariah/sage/sag
On Nov 23, 4:56 pm, Martin Rubey
wrote:
> Jaap Spies writes:
> > Ever heard of the word humor? Even without a smiley this is possible in
> > a message.
>
> I, as a german speaking, can see no humor in that post you link to.
I guess I didn't either. In the overall context of the post, the
stat
Here are some statistics for the Sage website. Oct and Nov are
probably the best months for the Sage website.
These numbers are for 2009, oct 23rd to nov 22nd.
Visits:
89,495 Visits (session of several pageviews)
253,716 Pageviews
6,271 (tracked) downloads
By Country >1%:
1. United States 29
Harald Schilly wrote:
> Here are some statistics for the Sage website. Oct and Nov are
> probably the best months for the Sage website.
> These numbers are for 2009, oct 23rd to nov 22nd.
>
Nice! Thank you for doing this.
Jaap
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On Nov 23, 1:33 pm, Alex Ghitza wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 01:04:25PM -0800, rjf wrote:
> > > > Actually, while Maxima includes library access to Fortran methods, it
> > > > is far inferior to what could be done in numeric integration,
> > > > as demonstrated by recent Mathematica versions
On Nov 23, 2:20 pm, kcrisman wrote:
> I wonder how many "silent" users there are out there...
>
My latest entry (from yesterday) on the "testimonial" page:
"""Sage brought me back to using linux, perhaps permanently this time.
I only use windows for games these days. I actually haven't used Sage
On Nov 24, 12:07 am, Jaap Spies wrote:
> Nice! Thank you for doing this.
>
No problem, stats were long overdue ... if there are any specific
questions about a country, some additional numbers or data like "which
IE browser is used most often?" ... just ask me ;)
One thing I didn't look into are
Is the topic of "how should a Sage proposal be written so that it is
funded by NSF" really something to be relegated to sage-flame?
I don't know how many other readers here have (repeatedly) served as
NSF reviewers or panelists evaluating proposals.
Based on my contributions to the writing of thi
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 3:22 PM, rjf wrote:
> Is the topic of "how should a Sage proposal be written so that it is
> funded by NSF" really something to be relegated to sage-flame?
> I don't know how many other readers here have (repeatedly) served as
> NSF reviewers or panelists evaluating propos
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 1:04 PM, rjf wrote:
>> > "venerable" Maxima is mentioned once, suggesting that the only thing
>> > it can do is symbolic integration and numeric integration.
>> > Actually, while Maxima includes library access to Fortran methods, it
>> > is far inferior to what could be don
On Nov 23, 3:49 pm, William Stein wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 1:04 PM,rjf wrote:
> >> > "venerable" Maxima is mentioned once, suggesting that the only thing
> >> > it can do is symbolic integration and numeric integration.
> >> > Actually, while Maxima includes library access to Fortran met
Hi All!
On 24 Nov., 01:15, rjf wrote:
[...]
> It may be worthwhile pondering Tim's comment...
>
> "NSF will not fund software development that competes with
> existing commercial software."
Indeed, that's irritating. What exactly does NSF mean?
Do they mean (1) "no fund for software that c
>
> > It may be worthwhile pondering Tim's comment...
>
> > "NSF will not fund software development that competes with
> > existing commercial software."
>
> Indeed, that's irritating. What exactly does NSF mean?
>
> Do they mean (1) "no fund for software that competes economically with
> exis
Simon King wrote:
> Hi All!
>
> On 24 Nov., 01:15, rjf wrote:
> [...]
>
>> It may be worthwhile pondering Tim's comment...
>>
>> "NSF will not fund software development that competes with
>>existing commercial software."
>>
>
> Indeed, that's irritating. What exactly does NSF mean?
>
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 4:15 PM, rjf wrote:
>
>
> On Nov 23, 3:49 pm, William Stein wrote:
>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 1:04 PM,rjf wrote:
>> >> > "venerable" Maxima is mentioned once, suggesting that the only thing
>> >> > it can do is symbolic integration and numeric integration.
>> >> > Actually
I thought that Mark McClure's post on another thread raised some
interesting issues, and that it was worth responding to, but it was so
tangential that it deserves a seperate thread:
"""
But William, just two days ago on sage-support you wrote:
"Let's put Mathworks out of business."
http://groups.
Is there a plan for what happens if funding is not approved?
Do the servers continue? Are the students reassigned?
Do the Sage days continue? Does the code move to
sourceforge or github? Does this become a free-time only,
non-academic activity? Once Sage becomes a non-academic
"free and open sourc
mhampton wrote:
> I thought that Mark McClure's post on another thread raised some
> interesting issues, and that it was worth responding to, but it was so
> tangential that it deserves a seperate thread:
>
> """
> But William, just two days ago on sage-support you wrote:
> "Let's put Mathworks ou
Hi Tim,
Thanks for airing your concerns and worries.
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 8:12 PM, Tim Daly wrote:
> Is there a plan for what happens if funding is not approved?
Yes.
> Do the servers continue?
I'm not asking for funding for servers.The actual hardware is
owned by UW (but paid for by t
"Dr. David Kirkby" writes:
> I find it hard to believe Sage will not have a negative impact on the
> sales of Mathematica, but I certainly hope Sage does not put Wolfram
> Research out of business. I very much doubt it will either.
I am with your hope (how to say this properly?). At any rate, I
On Nov 23, 2009, at 8:12 PM, Tim Daly wrote:
> Is there a plan for what happens if funding is not approved?
> Do the servers continue?
Yes.
> Are the students reassigned?
There aren't any students being funded by unconfirmed funding, and the
grant isn't about funding students either.
> Do th
OSX 10.6.2 on Intel with Xcode 3.21:
--
The following tests failed:
sage -t "devel/sage/doc/en/a_tour_of_sage/index.rst"
sage -t "devel/sage/doc/en/bordeaux_2008/introduction.rst"
sage -t "devel/sage/d
For what it's worth,
this is from Sage-4.3.alpha0 (when I do ./sage -sh):
Starting subshell with Sage environment variables set.
Be sure to exit when you are done and do not do anything
with other copies of Sage!
Bypassing shell configuration files ...
/Users/Shared/sage/build/sage-4.3.alpha0
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