Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.3.3.alpha1 released

2010-02-21 Thread Burcin Erocal
On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 13:13:09 -0800 Robert Bradshaw wrote: > On Feb 20, 2010, at 12:40 PM, John H Palmieri wrote: > > > > I was curious about this, so I tried specifying the number of > > digits: > > > > sage: h = integral(sin(x)/x^2, (x, 1, pi/2)); h > > integrate(sin(x)/x^2, x, 1, 1/2*pi) > > sa

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.3.3.alpha1 released

2010-02-21 Thread Erik Lane
> I'm not suggesting it is a gold standard, but given the results agreed > reasonably closely with Sage, and were computed to arbitrary precision, then > I had a reasonable degree of confidence in believing the "failure" was not > really a failure at all. > Thank you for your very clear explanati

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.3.3.alpha1 released

2010-02-20 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Erik Lane wrote: That's almost certainly true. In fact, the result printed by the "failure" is more accurate than the expected value! I tried this in Mathematica: This might be a trivial question, but how do you know which number is more accurate than the other, if those results are machine-de

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.3.3.alpha1 released

2010-02-20 Thread Erik Lane
> I think the reason Mathematica was invoked is because it can do arbitrary > precision numerical integration, and a good test to see if the last couple > of digits are right is to compute the result to much higher precision. (We > do have arbitrary precision for lots of other stuff, but much of th

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.3.3.alpha1 released

2010-02-20 Thread Minh Nguyen
Hi Harald, On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Harald Schilly wrote: > Btw. is mpmath-0.14 now in 4.3.3 or not? -> > http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/8159 The package mpmath-0.14.spkg wasn't available when I was preparing Sage 4.3.3.alpha1. I think it would need to wait for Sage 4.3.4.

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.3.3.alpha1 released

2010-02-20 Thread Fredrik Johansson
On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 9:40 PM, John H Palmieri wrote: > On Feb 19, 9:11 am, John Cremona wrote: > > On 19 February 2010 06:32, Minh Nguyen wrote: > > > > > Hi folks, > > > > > This is the final alpha release of Sage 4.3.3. The next release would > > > be an rc0. The development version of Sage

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.3.3.alpha1 released

2010-02-20 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Feb 20, 2010, at 12:40 PM, John H Palmieri wrote: On Feb 19, 9:11 am, John Cremona wrote: On 19 February 2010 06:32, Minh Nguyen wrote: Hi folks, This is the final alpha release of Sage 4.3.3. The next release would be an rc0. The development version of Sage is now in feature freeze

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.3.3.alpha1 released

2010-02-20 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Feb 20, 2010, at 12:13 PM, Erik Lane wrote: That's almost certainly true. In fact, the result printed by the "failure" is more accurate than the expected value! I tried this in Mathematica: This might be a trivial question, but how do you know which number is more accurate than the other

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.3.3.alpha1 released

2010-02-20 Thread Erik Lane
> > That's almost certainly true. In fact, the result printed by the "failure" > is more accurate than the expected value! I tried this in Mathematica: > This might be a trivial question, but how do you know which number is more accurate than the other, if those results are machine-dependent? Or i

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.3.3.alpha1 released

2010-02-20 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Minh Nguyen wrote: Hi Robert, On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 5:18 AM, ma...@mendelu.cz wrote: This solves the problem with dostests, but I see another problem: we have two different answers. One of them is wrong. Which one? And why? And is it O.K. to change doctest instead of fix a bug? The fun

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.3.3.alpha1 released

2010-02-20 Thread John Cremona
On 20 February 2010 18:26, Minh Nguyen wrote: > Hi Robert, > > On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 5:18 AM, ma...@mendelu.cz wrote: > > > >> This solves the problem with dostests, but I see another problem: we >> have two different answers. One of them is wrong. Which one? And why? >> >> And is it O.K. to c

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.3.3.alpha1 released

2010-02-20 Thread Minh Nguyen
Hi Robert, On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 5:18 AM, ma...@mendelu.cz wrote: > This solves the problem with dostests, but I see another problem: we > have two different answers. One of them is wrong. Which one? And why? > > And is it O.K. to change doctest instead of fix a bug? The function call h.n()

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.3.3.alpha1 released

2010-02-19 Thread David Joyner
Also, build from source went fine and all tests passed on a 10.6.2 mac. On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 2:08 PM, mhampton wrote: > All tests passed on an upgrade from the alpha0, on a 10.6.2 mac. > -Marshall > > -- > To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe fr