Re: [sage-devel] Re: Rapid growth in Python popularity

2011-02-19 Thread David Kirkby
On 20 February 2011 00:51, Robert Bradshaw wrote: > On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 3:40 PM, David Kirkby wrote: >> Mathematica has shown the largest fall, with less than half the >> searches as in 2004 >> >> http://www.google.com/trends?q=mathematica&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0 > > Note that these g

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Rapid growth in Python popularity

2011-02-19 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 3:40 PM, David Kirkby wrote: > On 18 February 2011 19:36, Matt Goodman wrote: >> Regarding the academics comment, check this out: >> http://www.google.com/trends?q=matlab%2C+python&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0 >> >> Matlab related dips notably (~50% peak to trough) durin

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Rapid growth in Python popularity

2011-02-19 Thread David Kirkby
On 18 February 2011 19:36, Matt Goodman wrote: > Regarding the academics comment, check this out: > http://www.google.com/trends?q=matlab%2C+python&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0 > > Matlab related dips notably (~50% peak to trough) during spring, winter, and > summer breaks. I can see the notice

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Rapid growth in Python popularity

2011-02-18 Thread daly
> > > > As for the conjecture that Python is wildly popular and > > therefore the perfect choice for computational mathematics > > I can only point to history. Pascal was everywhere, including > > in the universities. Smalltalk took the world by storm. > > PL/I was universal. Ada was the ultimate

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Rapid growth in Python popularity

2011-02-18 Thread David Kirkby
On 18 February 2011 05:11, rjf wrote: > > > On Feb 17, 4:49 pm, Matt Goodman wrote: >> MATLAB isn't a tool used outside of academia very often. > > I think you are wrong here.  I don't have any data to point to though. > Do you have any data on this? Matt is definitely VERY wrong. MATLAB is wel

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Rapid growth in Python popularity

2011-02-18 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 10:26 AM, rjf wrote: > > > On Feb 18, 8:51 am, William Stein wrote: >> >> At University of Washington, even with a site license, MATLAB costs me >> $100, so I don't have it on my laptop. >> There are limited licenses for students, and I've been told they have >> trouble do

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Rapid growth in Python popularity

2011-02-18 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 12:12 PM, daly wrote: >> The python community is huge, skills are available, >> and often the needs are not in the core science algorithm >> which is well looked after, but in the glue and interface, >> which requires a less in-depth understanding of the science >> than the

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Rapid growth in Python popularity

2011-02-18 Thread Matt Goodman
You can back out pyc's pretty easy. See the "byteplay" package. :) --Matthew Goodman = Check Out My Website: http://craneium.net Find me on LinkedIn: http://tinyurl.com/d6wlch On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Eviatar wrote: > On Feb 18, 10:26 am, rjf wrote: > > On Feb 18

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Rapid growth in Python popularity

2011-02-18 Thread daly
> The python community is huge, skills are available, > and often the needs are not in the core science algorithm > which is well looked after, but in the glue and interface, > which requires a less in-depth understanding of the science > than the core algorithm. It allows non-niche programmers to

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Rapid growth in Python popularity

2011-02-18 Thread Matt Goodman
Regarding the academics comment, check this out: http://www.google.com/trends?q=matlab%2C+python&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0 Matlab related dips notably (~50% peak to trough) during spring, winter, and summer breaks. All I really have to say about MATLAB is for a piece of software backed by mi

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Rapid growth in Python popularity

2011-02-18 Thread William Stein
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 8:36 AM, rjf wrote: > Many people using Matlab are, I think, using it within some > organization > such as a college or an engineering lab.  The incremental cost for one > more Matlab user license is small and probably part of the overhead of > the organization, and so ther

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Rapid growth in Python popularity

2011-02-18 Thread Jan Groenewald
Hi Python's barrier-to-entry is the lowest of all the languages under discussion (in terms of time to learn it). It is easier to enforce good coding style because much of it is already integrated with the language... e.g. indented control structures & loops. Optimizing-python-with-calling-other

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Rapid growth in Python popularity

2011-02-18 Thread William Stein
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 9:11 PM, rjf wrote: > > > On Feb 17, 4:49 pm, Matt Goodman wrote: >> MATLAB isn't a tool used outside of academia very often. > > I think you are wrong here.  I don't have any data to point to though. > Do you have any data on this? No data versus no data. >>  Its licens

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Rapid growth in Python popularity

2011-02-17 Thread daly
An interesting article about computational science programming: http://www.nature.com/news/2010/101013/full/467775a.html?ref=nf Tim Daly -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.c

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Rapid growth in Python popularity

2011-02-17 Thread Matt Goodman
MATLAB isn't a tool used outside of academia very often. Its licensing makes it hard to redistribute code (like to a third party), or even run it on a couple different workstations in a HPC sense. Its a great tool for quick and dirty analyses, but overall its a terribly crafted language for devel

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Rapid growth in Python popularity

2011-02-16 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 02/16/11 05:29 PM, Eviatar wrote: Yes, exactly. I don't think many are looking to learn LabView over the internet (since it serves such a specific purpose), but it is used in the industry, something that TIOBE can't measure. Well, they could if they searched for job adverts on job sites. B