Hi William,
> > In the operation, several friend there lost their job (actually this in not
> > Mathworks fault and probably the result of Sciface being bought by
> > Mathworks is
> > that some of them keep their job)...
> >
> > I'm not sure anyone in this sharks market will care a cent abo
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Dr. David Kirkby
wrote:
> Harald Schilly wrote:
>> On Nov 24, 6:05 pm, "Dr. David Kirkby"
>> wrote:
>>> That's why searches on 'sage math' in Google bring up sponsored
>>> advertisements
>>> paid for by Wolfram Research. Perhaps I am thick, but that suggests to
Harald Schilly wrote:
> On Nov 24, 6:05 pm, "Dr. David Kirkby"
> wrote:
>> That's why searches on 'sage math' in Google bring up sponsored
>> advertisements
>> paid for by Wolfram Research. Perhaps I am thick, but that suggests to me
>> Wolfram Research are not ignoring Sage.
>
> I don't know h
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 8:49 AM, rjf wrote:
[...]
Many thanks for your comments.However, I'm concerned that your
level of rudeness is not appropriate
for this list.
-- William
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rjf wrote:
>
> On Nov 24, 6:54 am, William Stein wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 1:15 AM, Florent Hivert
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> How do you imagine that one of those sharks could "put Sage down"?
>
> they don't have to. they just ignore it.
That's why searches on 'sage math' in Google bring up sponso
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 6:55 AM, Dr. David Kirkby
wrote:
> Florent Hivert wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure anyone in this sharks market will care a cent about putting sage
>> down...
>
> I suspect some of the employees at Mathworks probably welcome Sage, though
> they
> would not say so officially.
>
>>
William Stein wrote:
> It's an honest "attack", and that's exactly what I would expect from
> the people working at the Ma's. Perhaps, I'm young and naive, but I
> think they are by and large good and honest people. I think this
> sort of competition is an overall plus for end users, in the l
Florent Hivert wrote:
> I'm not sure anyone in this sharks market will care a cent about putting sage
> down...
I suspect some of the employees at Mathworks probably welcome Sage, though they
would not say so officially.
> Now, though I completely agree with sage goal, I don't feel very
> comfo
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 1:15 AM, Florent Hivert
wrote:
> Hi There,
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 03:41:46PM -0600, Jason Grout wrote:
>> mark mcclure wrote:
>> > On Nov 23, 3:30 pm, William Stein wrote:
>> >> That is true. In fact, I hope in the proposal to not insult or snub
>> >> non-free c
Hi There,
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 03:41:46PM -0600, Jason Grout wrote:
> mark mcclure wrote:
> > On Nov 23, 3:30 pm, William Stein wrote:
> >> That is true. In fact, I hope in the proposal to not insult or snub
> >> non-free commercial software either.
> >
> > But William, just two days a
On Nov 23, 2009, at 8:12 PM, Tim Daly wrote:
> Is there a plan for what happens if funding is not approved?
> Do the servers continue?
Yes.
> Are the students reassigned?
There aren't any students being funded by unconfirmed funding, and the
grant isn't about funding students either.
> Do th
Hi Tim,
Thanks for airing your concerns and worries.
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 8:12 PM, Tim Daly wrote:
> Is there a plan for what happens if funding is not approved?
Yes.
> Do the servers continue?
I'm not asking for funding for servers.The actual hardware is
owned by UW (but paid for by t
Is there a plan for what happens if funding is not approved?
Do the servers continue? Are the students reassigned?
Do the Sage days continue? Does the code move to
sourceforge or github? Does this become a free-time only,
non-academic activity? Once Sage becomes a non-academic
"free and open sourc
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 4:15 PM, rjf wrote:
>
>
> On Nov 23, 3:49 pm, William Stein wrote:
>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 1:04 PM,rjf wrote:
>> >> > "venerable" Maxima is mentioned once, suggesting that the only thing
>> >> > it can do is symbolic integration and numeric integration.
>> >> > Actually
Simon King wrote:
> Hi All!
>
> On 24 Nov., 01:15, rjf wrote:
> [...]
>
>> It may be worthwhile pondering Tim's comment...
>>
>> "NSF will not fund software development that competes with
>>existing commercial software."
>>
>
> Indeed, that's irritating. What exactly does NSF mean?
>
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 1:04 PM, rjf wrote:
>> > "venerable" Maxima is mentioned once, suggesting that the only thing
>> > it can do is symbolic integration and numeric integration.
>> > Actually, while Maxima includes library access to Fortran methods, it
>> > is far inferior to what could be don
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 3:22 PM, rjf wrote:
> Is the topic of "how should a Sage proposal be written so that it is
> funded by NSF" really something to be relegated to sage-flame?
> I don't know how many other readers here have (repeatedly) served as
> NSF reviewers or panelists evaluating propos
It's time for this thread to move to sage-flame. Please no more
messages on sage-devel.
Nick
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On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 7:04 PM, rjf wrote:
> That's helpful. Forgive me for asking for information. I see,
> somewhat later, that this has to do with adding type declarations.
> Just the ticket. To me is suggests that Python is inappropriate for
> numerical work -- for which C is more appropri
Jaap Spies writes:
> mark mcclure wrote:
>> On Nov 23, 3:30 pm, William Stein wrote:
>>> That is true. In fact, I hope in the proposal to not insult or snub
>>> non-free commercial software either.
>>
>> But William, just two days ago on sage-support you wrote:
>> "Let's put Mathworks out of b
Jaap Spies wrote:
> mark mcclure wrote:
>
>> On Nov 23, 3:30 pm, William Stein wrote:
>>
>>> That is true. In fact, I hope in the proposal to not insult or snub
>>> non-free commercial software either.
>>>
>> But William, just two days ago on sage-support you wrote:
>> "Let's put M
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 12:27 PM, John H Palmieri
wrote:
> On Nov 23, 11:18 am, Simon King wrote:
>> Hi William!
>>
>> On 23 Nov., 18:55, William Stein wrote:
>> [...]
>>
>> > Maxima started in the 1960s, whereas Singular, Pari, GAP are from the
>> > 1990s, right? Venerable = "accorded a great
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Simon King wrote:
> On Nov 23, 4:38 pm, William Stein wrote:
>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 8:28 AM, rjf wrote:
>> > From the proposal
>>
>> > ... and which has sophisti-
>> > cated interfaces to nearly all other mathematics software, including
>> > Mathematica, Mapl
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 8:28 AM, rjf wrote:
> From the proposal
>
>
> ... and which has sophisti-
> cated interfaces to nearly all other mathematics software, including
> Mathematica, Maple,
> MATLAB and Magma. ...
>
>
> Maxima just gets no respect. :)
> Most of the facilities mentioned are alread
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