Re: [sage-devel] Python as build-time dependency

2014-01-08 Thread Volker Braun
How about you put some money where your mouth is and e.g. work with ATLAS to provide them with a better build system. If you don't then you'll have to agree with me that it would be a great goal but its just is not going to build you an ATLAS library anytime soon. I've helped a number of upstrea

Re: [sage-devel] Python as build-time dependency

2014-01-08 Thread Julien Puydt
Le 08/01/2014 14:23, Jean-Pierre Flori a écrit : > I meant that I'm not sure using python for install scripts will make > math software more accessible... especially if scripts become more complex. I get your point, and agree with it. Snark on #sagemath -- You received this message because you

Re: [sage-devel] Python as build-time dependency

2014-01-08 Thread Jean-Pierre Flori
On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 2:20:40 PM UTC+1, Snark wrote: > > Le 08/01/2014 11:01, Jean-Pierre Flori a �crit : > > On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 10:52:38 AM UTC+1, Snark wrote: > > > > Le 08/01/2014 09:10, Volker Braun a �crit : > > > But many mathematical packages do need hand

Re: [sage-devel] Python as build-time dependency

2014-01-08 Thread Julien Puydt
Le 08/01/2014 11:01, Jean-Pierre Flori a écrit : > On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 10:52:38 AM UTC+1, Snark wrote: > > Le 08/01/2014 09:10, Volker Braun a ďż˝crit : > > But many mathematical packages do need hand-holding simply because > > mathematicians generally don't know how to use e

Re: [sage-devel] Python as build-time dependency

2014-01-08 Thread Jean-Pierre Flori
On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 10:52:38 AM UTC+1, Snark wrote: > > Le 08/01/2014 09:10, Volker Braun a �crit : > > But many mathematical packages do need hand-holding simply because > > mathematicians generally don't know how to use e.g. autotools. At the > > end of the day one of the goals o

Re: [sage-devel] Python as build-time dependency

2014-01-08 Thread Julien Puydt
Le 08/01/2014 09:10, Volker Braun a écrit : > But many mathematical packages do need hand-holding simply because > mathematicians generally don't know how to use e.g. autotools. At the > end of the day one of the goals of Sage is to make mathematical software > more accessible... I can't help to n

Re: [sage-devel] Python as build-time dependency

2014-01-08 Thread Volker Braun
We also talked about build system changes at SD65 (though this is not what this thread is about), where we precisely brought up the point that the build system should be smart enough to not require any build script if the standard configure/make/make install or setup.py works. But many mathema

Re: [sage-devel] Python as build-time dependency

2014-01-07 Thread Jean-Pierre Flori
Im not really for this. Do we actually need horribly compilcated spkg-install scripts? Most of the time its just patch/configure/make/make install or patch/build/install. If we really need something more involved it's a good point that upstream is kind of broken (I'm actually aware of one python

Re: [sage-devel] Python as build-time dependency

2014-01-07 Thread Julien Puydt
Le 07/01/2014 10:27, Volker Braun a écrit : > Slightly off topic, but if you have a particular ticket in mind then > let's hear You're right ; I think I confused this thread with another... wasn't there one about someone complaining he couldn't run some python package he had installed system-wide

Re: [sage-devel] Python as build-time dependency

2014-01-07 Thread Volker Braun
Slightly off topic, but if you have a particular ticket in mind then let's hear On Monday, January 6, 2014 11:17:25 PM UTC-10, Snark wrote: > > Le 07/01/2014 09:10, Volker Braun a �crit : > > We were considering the addition of Python as a build-time dependency to > > be able to use Python

Re: [sage-devel] Python as build-time dependency

2014-01-07 Thread Julien Puydt
Le 07/01/2014 09:10, Volker Braun a écrit : > We were considering the addition of Python as a build-time dependency to > be able to use Python even for scripts that are used at bootstrap time > here at SD56. And everybody was in favor. We should probably support > Python 2.5 - 2.7 and 3.3+, which w

Re: [sage-devel] Python as build-time dependency

2014-01-07 Thread Robert Bradshaw
+1 On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 12:39 AM, Volker Braun wrote: > To be able to use Python even for scripts that are used at bootstrap time. > Its a much better language than shell script, better aligned with our core > strengths, and comes with a decent standard library. > > > On Monday, January 6, 2014

Re: [sage-devel] Python as build-time dependency

2014-01-07 Thread Volker Braun
To be able to use Python even for scripts that are used at bootstrap time. Its a much better language than shell script, better aligned with our core strengths, and comes with a decent standard library. On Monday, January 6, 2014 10:31:27 PM UTC-10, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > > What's the motivati

Re: [sage-devel] Python as build-time dependency

2014-01-07 Thread Jeroen Demeyer
On 2014-01-07 09:10, Volker Braun wrote: We were considering the addition of Python as a build-time dependency to be able to use Python even for scripts that are used at bootstrap time here at SD56. And everybody was in favor. We should probably support Python 2.5 - 2.7 and 3.3+, which would cove