[sage-devel] Re: interactive licenses for non-free stuff (like nauty)

2009-02-06 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Feb 3, 2009, at 2:15 PM, William Stein wrote: > > PROPOSAL 1: When installing official Sage spkg's, Sage should not > interactively ask the user to agree to licenses. > > Justification: (1) My understanding is that interactive license > agreements are no more legally binding than non-interactiv

[sage-devel] Re: interactive licenses for non-free stuff (like nauty)

2009-02-04 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 7:47 PM, David Joyner wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 5:15 PM, William Stein wrote: >> >> On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Jason Grout >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> "Since we have a fundamental disagreement here, this will need to be >>> discussed on sage-devel and possibly

[sage-devel] Re: interactive licenses for non-free stuff (like nauty)

2009-02-03 Thread David Joyner
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 5:15 PM, William Stein wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Jason Grout > wrote: >> >> >> >> "Since we have a fundamental disagreement here, this will need to be >> discussed on sage-devel and possibly voted on." >> >> The reasoning below applies not just to "pick

[sage-devel] Re: interactive licenses for non-free stuff (like nauty)

2009-02-03 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 3, 2:15 pm, William Stein wrote: > On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Jason Grout > wrote: > > Does someone (William?, mabshoff?) want to explicitly state the proposal > > we are voting on? > > PROPOSAL 1: When installing official Sage spkg's, Sage should not > interactively ask the us

[sage-devel] Re: interactive licenses for non-free stuff (like nauty)

2009-02-03 Thread Jason Grout
William Stein wrote: > PROPOSAL 1: When installing official Sage spkg's, Sage should not > interactively ask the user to agree to licenses. > > Justification: (1) My understanding is that interactive license > agreements are no more legally binding than non-interactive ones. (2) > Debian/Ubuntu

[sage-devel] Re: interactive licenses for non-free stuff (like nauty)

2009-02-03 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 3, 2:09 pm, Tom Boothby wrote: > I definitely think that a passive approach is better.  Debian, for example, > has their repositories split into "free" and "non-free".  I believe that > this would be the best solution to this problem. > > Click-through interactive licensing agreements ar

[sage-devel] Re: interactive licenses for non-free stuff (like nauty)

2009-02-03 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Jason Grout wrote: > > There is quite a bit of discussion going on at ticket > http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/4890 about nauty's interactive > installation that demands that a user agree to a license. I originally > made that spkg and the result of the

[sage-devel] Re: interactive licenses for non-free stuff (like nauty)

2009-02-03 Thread Tom Boothby
For the bean-counters, that's a -1 to interactive crap. On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Tom Boothby wrote: > I definitely think that a passive approach is better. Debian, for example, > has their repositories split into "free" and "non-free". I believe that > this would be the best solution to

[sage-devel] Re: interactive licenses for non-free stuff (like nauty)

2009-02-03 Thread Tom Boothby
I definitely think that a passive approach is better. Debian, for example, has their repositories split into "free" and "non-free". I believe that this would be the best solution to this problem. Click-through interactive licensing agreements are no stronger than passive licenses. The law is th

[sage-devel] Re: interactive licenses for non-free stuff (like nauty)

2009-02-03 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 3, 1:27 pm, Jason Grout wrote: > There is quite a bit of discussion going on at > tickethttp://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/4890about nauty's interactive > installation that demands that a user agree to a license.  I originally > made that spkg and the result of the discussion at