Re: [sage-devel] Re: GPL Mathematica clone (written in Java)

2011-04-25 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 04/20/11 01:48 PM, Simon wrote: The whole symja thing is interesting... how much of Mathematica's syntax are they allowed to copy without breaching some sort of intellectual property rights? Although this case was in the USA, and different countries have different laws, this situation arose

[sage-devel] Re: GPL Mathematica clone (written in Java)

2011-04-22 Thread Robert Dodier
On Apr 20, 2:50 am, "Dr. David Kirkby" wrote: > This is interesting. > > http://code.google.com/p/symja/ > > Apparently it can parse a large percentage of the Mathematica language and has > nearly 295 functions. I note it has "D[]" and "Integrate[]" as two of them. Well, to the extent that it's

[sage-devel] Re: GPL Mathematica clone (written in Java)

2011-04-22 Thread rjf
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Re: [sage-devel] Re: GPL Mathematica clone (written in Java)

2011-04-21 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 04/21/11 04:44 PM, rjf wrote: There is so much wrong with Kirkby's statements, it is hard to know where to start. I do have a forename. I'd appreciate if you used it. -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-post

Re: [sage-devel] Re: GPL Mathematica clone (written in Java)

2011-04-21 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 04/20/11 05:45 PM, rjf wrote: I tried Do[print[i];If[i>4,Return[toobig]], {i,1,10}] which failed. So it can't iterate I tried a + f[8] /. f[x_?(#> 7&)] -> aha which it refused to parse, much less do pattern matching. Nothing on the web site interface can include a left-hand-side for as

[sage-devel] Re: GPL Mathematica clone (written in Java)

2011-04-21 Thread rjf
There is so much wrong with Kirkby's statements, it is hard to know where to start. 1. This symja is not a Mathematica "clone". At best it is an attempt to build a computer algebra system in Java, and has used pieces of the Mathematica design as a guide for some of its surface language and a spri

Re: [sage-devel] Re: GPL Mathematica clone (written in Java)

2011-04-21 Thread David Kirkby
On 20 April 2011 13:48, Simon wrote: > The whole symja thing is interesting... Symja would be much more so if it worked reasonably well. I'm told there's no support for high precision floating point numbers, which is why N[] is expecting only one argument. But it seems to have multiple issues. >

[sage-devel] Re: GPL Mathematica clone (written in Java)

2011-04-20 Thread Simon
On Thursday, 21 April 2011 02:45:37 UTC+10, rjf wrote: > > I tried > Do[print[i];If[i>4,Return[toobig]], {i,1,10}] > > which failed. So it can't iterate > It's lack of basic (working) loop constructions it a bit disheartening. > > Nothing on the web site interface can include a left-hand-side

[sage-devel] Re: GPL Mathematica clone (written in Java)

2011-04-20 Thread rjf
I tried Do[print[i];If[i>4,Return[toobig]], {i,1,10}] which failed. So it can't iterate I tried a + f[8] /. f[x_?(# > 7 &)] -> aha which it refused to parse, much less do pattern matching. Nothing on the web site interface can include a left-hand-side for assignment. While I think this progr

Re: [sage-devel] Re: GPL Mathematica clone (written in Java)

2011-04-20 Thread Simon
The whole symja thing is interesting... how much of Mathematica's syntax are they allowed to copy without breaching some sort of intellectual property rights? Since some claims were made about symja's integration capabilities, I tested a few integrals... It didn't take long to find simple integ

Re: [sage-devel] Re: GPL Mathematica clone (written in Java)

2011-04-20 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 04/20/11 11:40 AM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: On 04/20/11 10:13 AM, Jason Grout wrote: Interesting. Looking through the docs to the integration functions leads to this website with a large number of rules for integration, which claims that in some cases, it performs much better than MMA and Ma

Re: [sage-devel] Re: GPL Mathematica clone (written in Java)

2011-04-20 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 04/20/11 10:13 AM, Jason Grout wrote: On 4/20/11 3:50 AM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: This is interesting. http://code.google.com/p/symja/ Apparently it can parse a large percentage of the Mathematica language and has nearly 295 functions. I note it has "D[]" and "Integrate[]" as two of them.

[sage-devel] Re: GPL Mathematica clone (written in Java)

2011-04-20 Thread Jason Grout
On 4/20/11 3:50 AM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: This is interesting. http://code.google.com/p/symja/ Apparently it can parse a large percentage of the Mathematica language and has nearly 295 functions. I note it has "D[]" and "Integrate[]" as two of them. You can try it online at http://mobmath.a