Hi William,
> > In the operation, several friend there lost their job (actually this in not
> > Mathworks fault and probably the result of Sciface being bought by
> > Mathworks is
> > that some of them keep their job)...
> >
> > I'm not sure anyone in this sharks market will care a cent abo
I do not have any special knowledge about why sage math leads to a
wolfram ad, but
perhaps Google has noticed that the pages that are about sage often
mention Mathematica.
Rather prominently, too.
The pages about foo don't mention Mathematica much.
Therefore sage math is in closer proximity to
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Dr. David Kirkby
wrote:
> Harald Schilly wrote:
>> On Nov 24, 6:05 pm, "Dr. David Kirkby"
>> wrote:
>>> That's why searches on 'sage math' in Google bring up sponsored
>>> advertisements
>>> paid for by Wolfram Research. Perhaps I am thick, but that suggests to
Harald Schilly wrote:
> On Nov 24, 6:05 pm, "Dr. David Kirkby"
> wrote:
>> That's why searches on 'sage math' in Google bring up sponsored
>> advertisements
>> paid for by Wolfram Research. Perhaps I am thick, but that suggests to me
>> Wolfram Research are not ignoring Sage.
>
> I don't know h
On Nov 24, 6:05 pm, "Dr. David Kirkby"
wrote:
> That's why searches on 'sage math' in Google bring up sponsored advertisements
> paid for by Wolfram Research. Perhaps I am thick, but that suggests to me
> Wolfram Research are not ignoring Sage.
I don't know how they have tuned their campaign, bu
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 8:49 AM, rjf wrote:
[...]
Many thanks for your comments.However, I'm concerned that your
level of rudeness is not appropriate
for this list.
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rjf wrote:
>
> On Nov 24, 6:54 am, William Stein wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 1:15 AM, Florent Hivert
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> How do you imagine that one of those sharks could "put Sage down"?
>
> they don't have to. they just ignore it.
That's why searches on 'sage math' in Google bring up sponso
Oh great, another prime counting function, and you think that WRI will
be compelled to respond because Sage has some undergraduate project on
the topic.
Sure.
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On Nov 24, 6:55 am, "Dr. David Kirkby"
wrote:
.
>
> What is so wrong about competition? In the UK, we have a 'competition
> commission'
>
> http://www.competition-commission.org.uk/
Since Sage is given away, Sage makes no money when more people use
it. I think the analogy with
Boeing and
On Nov 24, 6:54 am, William Stein wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 1:15 AM, Florent Hivert
>
>
>
>
> How do you imagine that one of those sharks could "put Sage down"?
they don't have to. they just ignore it.
> I'm genuinely curious, because I don't see how *they* can. The
> obvious attacks
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 6:55 AM, Dr. David Kirkby
wrote:
> Florent Hivert wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure anyone in this sharks market will care a cent about putting sage
>> down...
>
> I suspect some of the employees at Mathworks probably welcome Sage, though
> they
> would not say so officially.
>
>>
William Stein wrote:
> It's an honest "attack", and that's exactly what I would expect from
> the people working at the Ma's. Perhaps, I'm young and naive, but I
> think they are by and large good and honest people. I think this
> sort of competition is an overall plus for end users, in the l
Florent Hivert wrote:
> I'm not sure anyone in this sharks market will care a cent about putting sage
> down...
I suspect some of the employees at Mathworks probably welcome Sage, though they
would not say so officially.
> Now, though I completely agree with sage goal, I don't feel very
> comfo
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 1:15 AM, Florent Hivert
wrote:
> Hi There,
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 03:41:46PM -0600, Jason Grout wrote:
>> mark mcclure wrote:
>> > On Nov 23, 3:30 pm, William Stein wrote:
>> >> That is true. In fact, I hope in the proposal to not insult or snub
>> >> non-free c
On Nov 24, 7:20 am, William Stein wrote:
> It's shared between many countries,
> including France, Germany, Austria, India, Canada, etc.,
Since I do statistics, I want to add that since this fall Sage is by
far no longer an us-only project. There is more activity from europe
than from north ameri
Hi There,
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 03:41:46PM -0600, Jason Grout wrote:
> mark mcclure wrote:
> > On Nov 23, 3:30 pm, William Stein wrote:
> >> That is true. In fact, I hope in the proposal to not insult or snub
> >> non-free commercial software either.
> >
> > But William, just two days a
On Nov 23, 2009, at 8:12 PM, Tim Daly wrote:
> Is there a plan for what happens if funding is not approved?
> Do the servers continue?
Yes.
> Are the students reassigned?
There aren't any students being funded by unconfirmed funding, and the
grant isn't about funding students either.
> Do th
Hi Tim,
Thanks for airing your concerns and worries.
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 8:12 PM, Tim Daly wrote:
> Is there a plan for what happens if funding is not approved?
Yes.
> Do the servers continue?
I'm not asking for funding for servers.The actual hardware is
owned by UW (but paid for by t
Is there a plan for what happens if funding is not approved?
Do the servers continue? Are the students reassigned?
Do the Sage days continue? Does the code move to
sourceforge or github? Does this become a free-time only,
non-academic activity? Once Sage becomes a non-academic
"free and open sourc
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 4:15 PM, rjf wrote:
>
>
> On Nov 23, 3:49 pm, William Stein wrote:
>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 1:04 PM,rjf wrote:
>> >> > "venerable" Maxima is mentioned once, suggesting that the only thing
>> >> > it can do is symbolic integration and numeric integration.
>> >> > Actually
Simon King wrote:
> Hi All!
>
> On 24 Nov., 01:15, rjf wrote:
> [...]
>
>> It may be worthwhile pondering Tim's comment...
>>
>> "NSF will not fund software development that competes with
>>existing commercial software."
>>
>
> Indeed, that's irritating. What exactly does NSF mean?
>
>
> > It may be worthwhile pondering Tim's comment...
>
> > "NSF will not fund software development that competes with
> > existing commercial software."
>
> Indeed, that's irritating. What exactly does NSF mean?
>
> Do they mean (1) "no fund for software that competes economically with
> exis
Hi All!
On 24 Nov., 01:15, rjf wrote:
[...]
> It may be worthwhile pondering Tim's comment...
>
> "NSF will not fund software development that competes with
> existing commercial software."
Indeed, that's irritating. What exactly does NSF mean?
Do they mean (1) "no fund for software that c
On Nov 23, 3:49 pm, William Stein wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 1:04 PM,rjf wrote:
> >> > "venerable" Maxima is mentioned once, suggesting that the only thing
> >> > it can do is symbolic integration and numeric integration.
> >> > Actually, while Maxima includes library access to Fortran met
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 1:04 PM, rjf wrote:
>> > "venerable" Maxima is mentioned once, suggesting that the only thing
>> > it can do is symbolic integration and numeric integration.
>> > Actually, while Maxima includes library access to Fortran methods, it
>> > is far inferior to what could be don
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 3:22 PM, rjf wrote:
> Is the topic of "how should a Sage proposal be written so that it is
> funded by NSF" really something to be relegated to sage-flame?
> I don't know how many other readers here have (repeatedly) served as
> NSF reviewers or panelists evaluating propos
Is the topic of "how should a Sage proposal be written so that it is
funded by NSF" really something to be relegated to sage-flame?
I don't know how many other readers here have (repeatedly) served as
NSF reviewers or panelists evaluating proposals.
Based on my contributions to the writing of thi
On Nov 23, 1:33 pm, Alex Ghitza wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 01:04:25PM -0800, rjf wrote:
> > > > Actually, while Maxima includes library access to Fortran methods, it
> > > > is far inferior to what could be done in numeric integration,
> > > > as demonstrated by recent Mathematica versions
On Nov 23, 4:56 pm, Martin Rubey
wrote:
> Jaap Spies writes:
> > Ever heard of the word humor? Even without a smiley this is possible in
> > a message.
>
> I, as a german speaking, can see no humor in that post you link to.
I guess I didn't either. In the overall context of the post, the
stat
Martin Rubey wrote:
> Jaap Spies writes:
>
>> mark mcclure wrote:
>>> On Nov 23, 3:30 pm, William Stein wrote:
That is true. In fact, I hope in the proposal to not insult or snub
non-free commercial software either.
>>> But William, just two days ago on sage-support you wrote:
>>> "Le
It's time for this thread to move to sage-flame. Please no more
messages on sage-devel.
Nick
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On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 7:04 PM, rjf wrote:
> That's helpful. Forgive me for asking for information. I see,
> somewhat later, that this has to do with adding type declarations.
> Just the ticket. To me is suggests that Python is inappropriate for
> numerical work -- for which C is more appropri
Jaap Spies writes:
> mark mcclure wrote:
>> On Nov 23, 3:30 pm, William Stein wrote:
>>> That is true. In fact, I hope in the proposal to not insult or snub
>>> non-free commercial software either.
>>
>> But William, just two days ago on sage-support you wrote:
>> "Let's put Mathworks out of b
Jaap Spies wrote:
> mark mcclure wrote:
>
>> On Nov 23, 3:30 pm, William Stein wrote:
>>
>>> That is true. In fact, I hope in the proposal to not insult or snub
>>> non-free commercial software either.
>>>
>> But William, just two days ago on sage-support you wrote:
>> "Let's put M
mark mcclure wrote:
> On Nov 23, 3:30 pm, William Stein wrote:
>> That is true. In fact, I hope in the proposal to not insult or snub
>> non-free commercial software either.
>
> But William, just two days ago on sage-support you wrote:
> "Let's put Mathworks out of business."
> http://groups.goo
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 01:04:25PM -0800, rjf wrote:
> > > Actually, while Maxima includes library access to Fortran methods, it
> > > is far inferior to what could be done in numeric integration,
> > > as demonstrated by recent Mathematica versions. You would hardly get a
> > > hint that 75% of t
mark mcclure wrote:
> On Nov 23, 3:30 pm, William Stein wrote:
>> That is true. In fact, I hope in the proposal to not insult or snub
>> non-free commercial software either.
>
> But William, just two days ago on sage-support you wrote:
> "Let's put Mathworks out of business."
> http://groups.goo
On Nov 23, 3:30 pm, William Stein wrote:
> That is true. In fact, I hope in the proposal to not insult or snub
> non-free commercial software either.
But William, just two days ago on sage-support you wrote:
"Let's put Mathworks out of business."
http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support/brows
Definition of venerable:
1. Commanding respect by virtue of age, dignity, character, or
position.
2. Worthy of reverence, especially by religious or historical
association.
For the non-native English speakers (and maybe others) in the group,
it may be useful to point out that
labeling somethin
On Nov 23, 8:38 am, William Stein wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 8:28 AM, rjf wrote:
> > From the proposal
>
> > ... and which has sophisti-
> > cated interfaces to nearly all other mathematics software, including
> > Mathematica, Maple,
> > MATLAB and Magma. ...
>
> > Maxima just gets no res
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 12:27 PM, John H Palmieri
wrote:
> On Nov 23, 11:18 am, Simon King wrote:
>> Hi William!
>>
>> On 23 Nov., 18:55, William Stein wrote:
>> [...]
>>
>> > Maxima started in the 1960s, whereas Singular, Pari, GAP are from the
>> > 1990s, right? Venerable = "accorded a great
On Nov 23, 11:18 am, Simon King wrote:
> Hi William!
>
> On 23 Nov., 18:55, William Stein wrote:
> [...]
>
> > Maxima started in the 1960s, whereas Singular, Pari, GAP are from the
> > 1990s, right? Venerable = "accorded a great deal of respect, esp.
> > because of age"
>
> My impression was th
Hi William!
On 23 Nov., 18:55, William Stein wrote:
[...]
> Maxima started in the 1960s, whereas Singular, Pari, GAP are from the
> 1990s, right? Venerable = "accorded a great deal of respect, esp.
> because of age"
My impression was that the word "venerable" (used *twice* in the
proposal) by
>
> You are so funny. You remind me of the sour old men in the public of
> the Muppet show. Complaining all the time, but not looking what's
> really happening.
Statler and Waldorf.
Also, unless we predict the immediate demise of Sage's integration,
(hopefully soon) summation (review this please
rjf wrote:
> From the proposal
>
>
> and which has sophisti-
> cated interfaces to nearly all other mathematics software, including
> Mathematica, Maple,
> MATLAB and Magma. ...
>
>
> Maxima just gets no respect. :)
>
>
> Most of the facilities mentioned are already in Maxima.
>
[...]
On Nov 23, 9:55 am, William Stein wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Simon King wrote:
> > "Sage provides the capabilities of a wide range of open source
> > mathematical and non-mathematical software, such as GAP, JMol, Maxima,
> > Numpy, Pari/GP, R, Scipy, Singular, Tachyon and Twiste
On Nov 23, 8:28 am, rjf wrote:
> From the proposal
[snip]
> And why is Cython much more than a Python to C translator? (This is
> not sarcasm. I honestly have no idea that it was more.
> I thought it was, if anything, less.)
Look at the section on "Cython and Numerical Computation" for some
wa
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Simon King wrote:
> On Nov 23, 4:38 pm, William Stein wrote:
>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 8:28 AM, rjf wrote:
>> > From the proposal
>>
>> > ... and which has sophisti-
>> > cated interfaces to nearly all other mathematics software, including
>> > Mathematica, Mapl
On Nov 23, 4:38 pm, William Stein wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 8:28 AM, rjf wrote:
> > From the proposal
>
> > ... and which has sophisti-
> > cated interfaces to nearly all other mathematics software, including
> > Mathematica, Maple,
> > MATLAB and Magma. ...
>
> > Maxima just gets no respe
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 8:28 AM, rjf wrote:
> From the proposal
>
>
> ... and which has sophisti-
> cated interfaces to nearly all other mathematics software, including
> Mathematica, Maple,
> MATLAB and Magma. ...
>
>
> Maxima just gets no respect. :)
> Most of the facilities mentioned are alread
>From the proposal
... and which has sophisti-
cated interfaces to nearly all other mathematics software, including
Mathematica, Maple,
MATLAB and Magma. ...
Maxima just gets no respect. :)
Most of the facilities mentioned are already in Maxima.
And why is Cython much more than a Python to C
I'm excited to see a major focus on numerics and PDEs in Sage. I'm
thinking of using Sage to teach numerical methods for PDEs here at
KAUST next semester.
-David
On Nov 20, 3:24 pm, William Stein wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Me and several people have been putting together a proposal to this NSF
> progra
Hi. I read through and made some comments into
the PDF with Skim on Mac OS X. I'll send it to
you via email.
Henning
On Nov 20, 12:24 pm, William Stein wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Me and several people have been putting together a proposal to this NSF
> program:
>
> http://www.nsf.gov/funding/pgm_sum
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