Re: [sage-devel] Random banter about Sage standards

2010-08-27 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 08/27/10 12:59 PM, Tim Daly wrote: tl;dr we need to raise the standards and "get it right". On getting different answers... Some algorithms in computational mathematics use random values. Depending on the source of random values you might get different but correct answers. Random algorithms

Re: [sage-devel] Random banter about Sage standards

2010-08-27 Thread Tim Daly
tl;dr we need to raise the standards and "get it right". On getting different answers... Some algorithms in computational mathematics use random values. Depending on the source of random values you might get different but correct answers. Random algorithms can be very much faster than determinis

Re: [sage-devel] Random banter about Sage standards

2010-08-27 Thread Alex Ghitza
(Sigh... And I had promised myself not to get involved in this thread...) On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 10:03:08 +0100, "Dr. David Kirkby" wrote: > On 08/27/10 09:17 AM, John Cremona wrote: > > On 27 August 2010 07:25, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: > >> > >> My own view is I'd rather have something with less

Re: [sage-devel] Random banter about Sage standards

2010-08-27 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 08/27/10 10:17 AM, John Cremona wrote: wait a minute. I did not really look at the code, and I know nothing about it at all. The short glance I took at the trace showed me that I did not understand it at all, and I do not propose to spend more time looking at it. (That is not because I do n

Re: [sage-devel] Random banter about Sage standards

2010-08-27 Thread John Cremona
wait a minute. I did not really look at the code, and I know nothing about it at all. The short glance I took at the trace showed me that I did not understand it at all, and I do not propose to spend more time looking at it. (That is not because I do not care about code quality and correctness,

Re: [sage-devel] Random banter about Sage standards

2010-08-27 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 08/27/10 09:17 AM, John Cremona wrote: On 27 August 2010 07:25, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: On 08/24/10 02:06 PM, kcrisman wrote: Anyway, I think (as you have correctly noted before) we have a bit of a culture clash between software engineering and mathematics. Just have patience with th

Re: [sage-devel] Random banter about Sage standards

2010-08-27 Thread John Cremona
On 27 August 2010 07:25, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: > On 08/24/10 02:06 PM, kcrisman wrote: >> >> Anyway, I think (as you have correctly noted before) we have a bit of >> a culture clash between software engineering and mathematics. > > > > >> Just have patience with those of us who aren't from a so

Re: [sage-devel] Random banter about Sage standards

2010-08-26 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 08/24/10 02:06 PM, kcrisman wrote: Anyway, I think (as you have correctly noted before) we have a bit of a culture clash between software engineering and mathematics. Just have patience with those of us who aren't from a software background - and trust that we are trying hard to interna

[sage-devel] Random banter about Sage standards

2010-08-24 Thread kcrisman
I've put this on sage-devel where it belongs. On Aug 24, 5:14 am, "Dr. David Kirkby" wrote: > On 08/23/10 04:20 PM, kcrisman wrote: > > > Well, in general it seems to me that most Sage bugs come from things/ > > functionality that didn't exist before, and once they exist people > > want to start