[sage-devel] How does trac's automerging work?

2015-05-27 Thread Jeroen Demeyer
Hello, I frequently see "red links" on Trac git branches with the message "trac's automerging failed". But when I try to merge with latest develop using the git command line, the merge succeeds without conflicts. Why is this? What does the Trac git plugin do to merge? And a different problem

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Compiling error for Sage 6.7 on OS X 10.10.3, XCode 6.3.1

2015-05-27 Thread Justin C. Walker
On May 27, 2015, at 17:26 , Jason Grout wrote: > On 5/27/15 18:38, Justin C. Walker wrote: >> >> On May 27, 2015, at 13:15 , Jason Grout wrote: [snip] >> Are you building multi-threaded? >> > > I'm just typing "make" in the sage directory (after doing make distclean and > git clean -df). So

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Compiling error for Sage 6.7 on OS X 10.10.3, XCode 6.3.1

2015-05-27 Thread Justin C. Walker
On May 27, 2015, at 20:19 , Hal Snyder wrote: > > On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 9:09:51 PM UTC-5, jason wrote: >> >> On 5/27/15 18:38, Justin C. Walker wrote: >>> >>> On May 27, 2015, at 13:15 , Jason Grout wrote: >>> I'm running into an error compiling gcc in Sage 6.7 on OS X 10.10.3

[sage-devel] Re: Compiling error for Sage 6.7 on OS X 10.10.3, XCode 6.3.1

2015-05-27 Thread Hal Snyder
On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 9:09:51 PM UTC-5, jason wrote: > > On 5/27/15 18:38, Justin C. Walker wrote: > > > > On May 27, 2015, at 13:15 , Jason Grout wrote: > > > >> I'm running into an error compiling gcc in Sage 6.7 on OS X 10.10.3 > with XCode 6.3.1. Here's the end of the build log (

[sage-devel] Re: Compiling error for Sage 6.7 on OS X 10.10.3, XCode 6.3.1

2015-05-27 Thread Jason Grout
On 5/27/15 18:38, Justin C. Walker wrote: On May 27, 2015, at 13:15 , Jason Grout wrote: I'm running into an error compiling gcc in Sage 6.7 on OS X 10.10.3 with XCode 6.3.1. Here's the end of the build log (I can post the entire install log, if needed). Is Sage supposed to compile on OS X

[sage-devel] Re: Compiling error for Sage 6.7 on OS X 10.10.3, XCode 6.3.1

2015-05-27 Thread Jason Grout
On 5/27/15 18:38, Justin C. Walker wrote: On May 27, 2015, at 13:15 , Jason Grout wrote: I'm running into an error compiling gcc in Sage 6.7 on OS X 10.10.3 with XCode 6.3.1. Here's the end of the build log (I can post the entire install log, if needed). Is Sage supposed to compile on OS X

[sage-devel] Re: Compiling error for Sage 6.7 on OS X 10.10.3, XCode 6.3.1

2015-05-27 Thread Jason Grout
On 5/27/15 18:18, Volker Braun wrote: Thats what the OSX buildbot is on, so it should work. Do you actually have commandline tools 6.3.1? Whats the output of clang --version? % xcodebuild -version Xcode 6.3.1 Build version 6D1002 % clang --version Apple LLVM version 6.1.0 (clang-602.0.49) (ba

Re: [sage-devel] Compiling error for Sage 6.7 on OS X 10.10.3, XCode 6.3.1

2015-05-27 Thread Justin C. Walker
On May 27, 2015, at 13:15 , Jason Grout wrote: > I'm running into an error compiling gcc in Sage 6.7 on OS X 10.10.3 with > XCode 6.3.1. Here's the end of the build log (I can post the entire install > log, if needed). Is Sage supposed to compile on OS X 10.10.3 with XCode > 6.3.1? I saw so

[sage-devel] Re: Compiling error for Sage 6.7 on OS X 10.10.3, XCode 6.3.1

2015-05-27 Thread Volker Braun
Thats what the OSX buildbot is on, so it should work. Do you actually have commandline tools 6.3.1? Whats the output of clang --version? On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 10:16:16 PM UTC+2, jason wrote: > > I'm running into an error compiling gcc in Sage 6.7 on OS X 10.10.3 with > XCode 6.3.1. He

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Vector weirdness: to be or not to be immutable

2015-05-27 Thread Vincent Delecroix
On 27/05/15 22:27, Johan S. R. Nielsen wrote: The behavior is bad but I would not call it a bug. You modified wrongly the vector. I disagree: from a user-point of view, a superficially perfectly reasonable sequence of steps were taken, at the end of which Sage prints a result which is mathemati

Re: [sage-devel] sage binaries useless for development

2015-05-27 Thread Jan Groenewald
Hi I only need install file not deps. Also, the new PPA will include only EN and FR docs. Please let me know if PPA users are inconvenienced by this. Maybe we have the time to split the packages but adding back a language is quick. Regards, Jan On 27 May 2015 at 20:13, Jan Groenewald wrote:

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Vector weirdness: to be or not to be immutable

2015-05-27 Thread Vincent Delecroix
On 27/05/15 22:02, Volker Braun wrote: IMHO the bug here is a lack of validation. Its perfectly fine to have mutable elements of a vector subspace, but y.__setitem__ should then check that the vector really is in the subspace or raise a ValueError. Of course it would almost always raise, so its n

[sage-devel] Re: Vector weirdness: to be or not to be immutable

2015-05-27 Thread Johan S. R. Nielsen
> The behavior is bad but I would not call it a bug. You modified wrongly > the vector. I disagree: from a user-point of view, a superficially perfectly reasonable sequence of steps were taken, at the end of which Sage prints a result which is mathematically incorrect, without any error or war

Re: [sage-devel] Vector weirdness: to be or not to be immutable

2015-05-27 Thread David Joyner
On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Johan S. R. Nielsen wrote: > Hi Sage-devel > > We just crashed our heads against a bug in our code due to extremely weird > semantics of Sage. Consider the following code which creates a sub-space C > of the four-dimensional vector space over the binary field, and

[sage-devel] Compiling error for Sage 6.7 on OS X 10.10.3, XCode 6.3.1

2015-05-27 Thread Jason Grout
I'm running into an error compiling gcc in Sage 6.7 on OS X 10.10.3 with XCode 6.3.1. Here's the end of the build log (I can post the entire install log, if needed). Is Sage supposed to compile on OS X 10.10.3 with XCode 6.3.1? I saw some messages and trac tickets about compiling gcc in Sage

[sage-devel] blog post: Guiding Principles for SageMath, Inc. (a first stab)

2015-05-27 Thread William Stein
Guiding principles for SageMath, Inc.: http://sagemath.blogspot.com/2015/05/guiding-principles-for-sagemath-inc.html -- William (http://wstein.org) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop recei

[sage-devel] Re: Vector weirdness: to be or not to be immutable

2015-05-27 Thread Volker Braun
IMHO the bug here is a lack of validation. Its perfectly fine to have mutable elements of a vector subspace, but y.__setitem__ should then check that the vector really is in the subspace or raise a ValueError. Of course it would almost always raise, so its not a particularly useful operation.

Re: [sage-devel] sage binaries useless for development

2015-05-27 Thread Jan Groenewald
Hi Looks like I need build/install and build/deps (checking whether I need only one of them). Regards, Jan On 27 May 2015 at 18:54, Jan Groenewald wrote: > Hi > > On 27 May 2015 at 18:17, Jan Groenewald wrote: > >> Hi >> >> Apparently I do need something else (than local and doc/src/output):

Re: [sage-devel] sage binaries useless for development

2015-05-27 Thread Jan Groenewald
Hi On 27 May 2015 at 18:17, Jan Groenewald wrote: > Hi > > Apparently I do need something else (than local and doc/src/output): > I added bootstrap but this still occurs. Regards, Jan > > 0 root@muizenberg:~#dpkg -i sagemath-upstream-binary_6.7ppa2_amd64.deb > (Reading database ... 586682 f

Re: [sage-devel] Vector weirdness: to be or not to be immutable

2015-05-27 Thread Vincent Delecroix
On 27/05/15 17:38, Johan S. R. Nielsen wrote: Hi Sage-devel We just crashed our heads against a bug in our code due to extremely weird semantics of Sage. Consider the following code which creates a sub-space C of the four-dimensional vector space over the binary field, and then modifies a *copy*

Re: [sage-devel] sage binaries useless for development

2015-05-27 Thread Jan Groenewald
Hi Apparently I do need something else (than local and doc/src/output): 0 root@muizenberg:~#dpkg -i sagemath-upstream-binary_6.7ppa2_amd64.deb (Reading database ... 586682 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to unpack sagemath-upstream-binary_6.7ppa2_amd64.deb ... Unpacking sage

[sage-devel] Vector weirdness: to be or not to be immutable

2015-05-27 Thread Johan S. R. Nielsen
Hi Sage-devel We just crashed our heads against a bug in our code due to extremely weird semantics of Sage. Consider the following code which creates a sub-space C of the four-dimensional vector space over the binary field, and then modifies a *copy* of a vector from the subspace: F = GF(2) VS

Re: [sage-devel] Re: converting optional spkgs to new style (database_kohel)

2015-05-27 Thread John Cremona
Thanks, Nathann, that is very helpful. John On 27 May 2015 at 13:13, Nathann Cohen wrote: > Hello, > >> I am planning to make a new-style version of the option spkg >> database_kohel -- is there somewhere (other than trac of course) where >> I can record this plan, and (afterwards) the fact that

[sage-devel] Re: converting optional spkgs to new style (database_kohel)

2015-05-27 Thread Nathann Cohen
Hello, I am planning to make a new-style version of the option spkg > database_kohel -- is there somewhere (other than trac of course) where > I can record this plan, and (afterwards) the fact that it has been > done? Somewhere where the current state of optional spkgs is > recorded? > Righ

Re: [sage-devel] sage binaries useless for development

2015-05-27 Thread Francois Bissey
Apart from the language selection, it’s all manual copy at this stage but if there is will to incorporate stuff “upstream” I am quite willing to make it happen in a better way. I just fell overbooked and run over from left (work) and right (kids being sick in rotation) at the moment so it won’t

Re: [sage-devel] Re: 404 Error: page not found

2015-05-27 Thread Nathann Cohen
> Has this historical data now just disappeared? It is there: http://mirror.switch.ch/mirror/sagemath/src/changelog.txt It seems that the 'mirror' files are not present on www.sagemath.org? Nathann -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group

[sage-devel] Re: 404 Error: page not found

2015-05-27 Thread Karl-Dieter Crisman
> > > http://www.sagemath.org/mirror/src/changelog.txt > > Has this historical data now just disappeared? > And it's not in the Wayback Machine because http://www.sagemath.org/robots.txt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubs

[sage-devel] Re: 404 Error: page not found

2015-05-27 Thread Karl-Dieter Crisman
More troubling: http://www.sagemath.org/mirror/src/changelog.txt Has this historical data now just disappeared? On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 8:01 AM, Karl-Dieter Crisman wrote: > On it! > > On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 5:22 AM, Jeroen Demeyer > wrote: > >> Release notes for 6.6: >> http://boxen.math.wa

[sage-devel] Re: 404 Error: page not found

2015-05-27 Thread Karl-Dieter Crisman
On it! On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 5:22 AM, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > Release notes for 6.6: > http://boxen.math.washington.edu/home/jdemeyer/sage-git/logs/sage-6.6.txt > > (if you find mistakes, change the Trac tickets) > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

Re: [sage-devel] sage binaries useless for development

2015-05-27 Thread Jan Groenewald
Apart from local and src/doc/output I don't need anything else? Regards, Jan On 27 May 2015 at 13:13, Volker Braun wrote: > Sounds good to me! > > On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 1:10:20 PM UTC+2, François wrote: > >> >> > On 27/05/2015, at 22:58, Volker Braun wrote: >> > >> > On Wednesday, May

Re: [sage-devel] converting optional spkgs to new style (database_kohel)

2015-05-27 Thread John Cremona
On 27 May 2015 at 11:39, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > On 2015-05-27 12:22, John Cremona wrote: >> >> I am planning to make a new-style version of the option spkg >> database_kohel -- is there somewhere (other than trac of course) where >> I can record this plan, and (afterwards) the fact that it has be

Re: [sage-devel] sage binaries useless for development

2015-05-27 Thread Volker Braun
Sounds good to me! On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 1:10:20 PM UTC+2, François wrote: > > > > On 27/05/2015, at 22:58, Volker Braun > > wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 11:42:59 AM UTC+2, Jan Groenewald wrote: > > Apart from the "local" folder to I actually need anything else here to

Re: [sage-devel] sage binaries useless for development

2015-05-27 Thread Francois Bissey
> On 27/05/2015, at 22:58, Volker Braun wrote: > > On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 11:42:59 AM UTC+2, Jan Groenewald wrote: > Apart from the "local" folder to I actually need anything else here to run > sage? > > The documentation output is unfortunately still under /src/doc/output. > Patches w

Re: [sage-devel] Re: sage binaries useless for development

2015-05-27 Thread Volker Braun
On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 11:42:59 AM UTC+2, Jan Groenewald wrote: > > Apart from the "local" folder to I actually need anything else here to run > sage? > The documentation output is unfortunately still under /src/doc/output. Patches would be welcome! -- You received this message because

Re: [sage-devel] converting optional spkgs to new style (database_kohel)

2015-05-27 Thread Jeroen Demeyer
On 2015-05-27 12:22, John Cremona wrote: I am planning to make a new-style version of the option spkg database_kohel -- is there somewhere (other than trac of course) where I can record this plan, and (afterwards) the fact that it has been done? Somewhere where the current state of optional spkg

[sage-devel] Re: converting optional spkgs to new style (database_kohel)

2015-05-27 Thread Volker Braun
No, its no different from how other changes to the Sage source are recorded: Just use git + trac. On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 12:23:29 PM UTC+2, John Cremona wrote: > > I am planning to make a new-style version of the option spkg > database_kohel -- is there somewhere (other than trac of cou

[sage-devel] converting optional spkgs to new style (database_kohel)

2015-05-27 Thread John Cremona
I am planning to make a new-style version of the option spkg database_kohel -- is there somewhere (other than trac of course) where I can record this plan, and (afterwards) the fact that it has been done? Somewhere where the current state of optional spkgs is recorded? John -- You received this

Re: [sage-devel] Re: sage binaries useless for development

2015-05-27 Thread Jan Groenewald
Hi I have to make some decisions for the PPA as well. Here the install is 1) root-owned 2) I just removed .git and .gitignore from the PPA for dpkg-specific reasons (a quilt package fails to build and a native package fails if .git is included). Doing git stuff as root in a /usr/ filesystem over f

[sage-devel] Re: 404 Error: page not found

2015-05-27 Thread Jeroen Demeyer
Release notes for 6.6: http://boxen.math.washington.edu/home/jdemeyer/sage-git/logs/sage-6.6.txt (if you find mistakes, change the Trac tickets) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving ema

Re: [sage-devel] Log files in dot-sage

2015-05-27 Thread Volker Braun
There is the SAGE_PEXPECT_LOG environment variable, it would IMHO be reasonable to also use it to switch logging on or off. On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 10:06:23 AM UTC+2, John Cremona wrote: > > On 26 May 2015 at 23:21, Andrey Novoseltsev > wrote: > > Hello, > > > > There are apparently l

[sage-devel] Re: hosting the sage cell server

2015-05-27 Thread Jason Grout
On 5/22/15 01:02, William Stein wrote: I think the license of SageCell has always been BSD. Like William and Rob said, the license has always been open source, and the sage cell server has always been developed in the open. The license of the source files is BSD, with the caveat that (to my

Re: [sage-devel] Log files in dot-sage

2015-05-27 Thread John Cremona
On 26 May 2015 at 23:21, Andrey Novoseltsev wrote: > Hello, > > There are apparently log files written to .sage. This causes issues with > SageMathCell which makes .sage immutable and there are commands that trigger > creation of some of these files, but it looks like the list is growing, > curren