Re: [sage-devel] Re: git integration repository, please test

2013-01-15 Thread Julien Puydt
Le 15/01/2013 23:28, Volker Braun a écrit : The specialist mathematical libraries, by contrast, don't get much exposure. And even if somebody packaged them then generally in useless form. E.g. Fedora ships symmetrica, but its useless since it is not compiled with -DFAST. Which nobody knows what i

[sage-devel] Patch made from a previous version of sage

2013-01-15 Thread Kannappan Sampath
Hello friends, I have the following question: The patch here: http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/10080 seems to come from a previous version of the file for which it proposes some change. Now, apparently, I feel that some of the issues have been resolved, by a new revision to that file.

[sage-devel] Re: git integration repository, please test

2013-01-15 Thread Keshav Kini
kcrisman writes: > On Tuesday, January 15, 2013 10:19:45 PM UTC-5, Michael Orlitzky > wrote: > > On 01/15/2013 10:17 PM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > > FreeBSD: pkg install subversion > > ... > > Just went insane for a second there =) > > > Actually, we DO have a FreeBSD port, tha

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Latex in sage

2013-01-15 Thread Kannappan Sampath
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 5:18 AM, Andrew Mathas wrote: > > In the Sage notebook, all LaTeX output is typeset in math mode, via >> MathJax. If you want to use LaTeX code which relies on plain text, it may >> not be typeset correctly. >> >> Thanks for confirming this John. I had trolled through the c

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage Days in Bobo-Dioulasso debriefing; Sage in developping countries

2013-01-15 Thread Jan Groenewald
Hi Also, once you out the Ubuntu installation on a network, it starts prompting you for updates, automatically updating its software, including Sage. Regards, Jan On 15 January 2013 21:34, Emil Widmann wrote: > > > Am Dienstag, 15. Januar 2013 15:42:16 UTC+1 schrieb Jan Groenewald: > >> Hi KC

[sage-devel] Re: Latex in sage

2013-01-15 Thread John H Palmieri
On Tuesday, January 15, 2013 3:48:44 PM UTC-8, Andrew Mathas wrote: > > > In the Sage notebook, all LaTeX output is typeset in math mode, via >> MathJax. If you want to use LaTeX code which relies on plain text, it may >> not be typeset correctly. >> >> Thanks for confirming this John. I had tr

Re: [sage-devel] Re: git integration repository, please test

2013-01-15 Thread kcrisman
On Tuesday, January 15, 2013 10:19:45 PM UTC-5, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > > On 01/15/2013 10:17 PM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > > FreeBSD: pkg install subversion > > ... > > Just went insane for a second there =) > Actually, we DO have a FreeBSD port, thanks to Stephen Montgomery-Smith, build

Re: [sage-devel] Re: git integration repository, please test

2013-01-15 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 01/15/2013 10:17 PM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > FreeBSD: pkg install subversion > ... Just went insane for a second there =) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. To un

Re: [sage-devel] Re: git integration repository, please test

2013-01-15 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 01/15/2013 08:25 PM, kcrisman wrote: > > Just curious - how would Mac fit in with all this? I know it's possible > to do some of these package things with it, but for the "ordinary" > user... or would one still in principle be able to download the Sage > source, disconnect from the Internet, t

Re: [sage-devel] Re: git integration repository, please test

2013-01-15 Thread kcrisman
> > >> Just curious - how would Mac fit in with all this? >> > > Not sure what you mean here. > > >> I know it's possible to do some of these package things with it, but for >> the "ordinary" user... or would one still in principle be able to download >> the Sage source, disconnect from the

Re: [sage-devel] Re: git integration repository, please test

2013-01-15 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 5:25 PM, kcrisman wrote: > > On Tuesday, January 15, 2013 5:28:24 PM UTC-5, Volker Braun wrote: >> >> One thing that hasn't been mentioned is possibly separating build >> infrastructure (gcc, patch, iconv, ...) from the specialist mathematical >> libraries. The former are

Re: [sage-devel] Re: git integration repository, please test

2013-01-15 Thread kcrisman
On Tuesday, January 15, 2013 5:28:24 PM UTC-5, Volker Braun wrote: > > One thing that hasn't been mentioned is possibly separating build > infrastructure (gcc, patch, iconv, ...) from the specialist mathematical > libraries. The former are generally available in usable form from your > distro,

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Why does - (x > 100) return -x > -100 ?

2013-01-15 Thread Sébastien Labbé
> So, what should x*(y > 0) do, raise a NotImplementedError? > And x*(y == 0)? I guess we just special case inequalities. > > -- > Benjamin Jones There exists this "assume" used sometimes... Maybe one possibility would be to assume positivity or negativity for multiplication to be defined? E.g

[sage-devel] sage-5.5 starting error

2013-01-15 Thread Sébastien Labbé
Hi sage-devel, I get an error starting sage after compiling sage-5.5 running mac os x 10.5.8. $ uname -a Darwin pol 9.8.0 Darwin Kernel Version 9.8.0: Wed Jul 15 16:55:01 PDT 2009; root:xnu-1228.15.4~1/RELEASE_I386 i386 Here is the log : Testing that Sage starts... [2013-01-15 20:43:37] Sag

[sage-devel] Re: Latex in sage

2013-01-15 Thread Andrew Mathas
> In the Sage notebook, all LaTeX output is typeset in math mode, via > MathJax. If you want to use LaTeX code which relies on plain text, it may > not be typeset correctly. > > Thanks for confirming this John. I had trolled through the code this morning and thought that this was the case, so

Re: [sage-devel] New iOS app is up

2013-01-15 Thread Ivan Andrus
On Nov 12, 2012, at 3:57 PM, Jason Grout wrote: > On 11/11/12 5:09 PM, Ivan Andrus wrote: > > Ivan: is there an easy way to reevaluate a computation? That is particularly > useful for interacts. If I click on a computation in the list, it opens up > the window for editing and evaluating, but

Re: [sage-devel] Re: git integration repository, please test

2013-01-15 Thread Volker Braun
I think we all agree that we should have a single repository since experience shows that it is a hassle to simultaneously make mutually dependent changes to different repos. Although one should generally do small steps at a time, this is a natural point to do other changes like rearrange direct

Re: [sage-devel] Re: git integration repository, please test

2013-01-15 Thread Volker Braun
One thing that hasn't been mentioned is possibly separating build infrastructure (gcc, patch, iconv, ...) from the specialist mathematical libraries. The former are generally available in usable form from your distro, or can be compiled without too much hassle in some overlay (say, gentoo prefi

Re: [sage-devel] Re: git integration repository, please test

2013-01-15 Thread Burcin Erocal
On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 09:44:13 -0800 "R. Andrew Ohana" wrote: > On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Burcin Erocal > wrote: > > Keshav, Jordi and many others have pointed these out before, but > > our main problem seems to be: > > > > - we are not really using a DVCS > > - the build system is showi

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Latex in sage

2013-01-15 Thread Kannappan Sampath
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 6:37 PM, P Purkayastha wrote: > On 01/15/2013 02:12 PM, Andrew Mathas wrote: > >> Almost every object in sage can return latex output. I think that the >> answer is no, but is there anyway to tell whether the latex output >> should be typeset in math-mode or as plain text?

[sage-devel] Re: Sage Days in Bobo-Dioulasso debriefing; Sage in developping countries

2013-01-15 Thread Jason Grout
On 1/15/13 3:08 AM, Jan Groenewald wrote: Also if there is interest, a version can be made that installs Ubuntu, the source code for Sage, and all needed developer tools to build and run Sage. I'm really interested in a USB image that I can hand to students that want to do development with me

[sage-devel] Re: Latex in sage

2013-01-15 Thread John H Palmieri
On Monday, January 14, 2013 10:12:03 PM UTC-8, Andrew Mathas wrote: > > Almost every object in sage can return latex output. I think that the > answer is no, but is there anyway to tell whether the latex output should > be typeset in math-mode or as plain text? > In the Sage notebook, all LaT

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Building Sage on a Cray XT3

2013-01-15 Thread François Bissey
On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 12:31:45 kcrisman wrote: > On Tuesday, January 15, 2013 2:35:34 PM UTC-5, Charles Celerier wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I would like to build Sage on a Cray XT3. Is there anyone with experience > > building Sage on machines like the Cray? > > Wow. You might want to look at some

[sage-devel] Re: Building Sage on a Cray XT3

2013-01-15 Thread kcrisman
On Tuesday, January 15, 2013 2:35:34 PM UTC-5, Charles Celerier wrote: > > Hello, > > I would like to build Sage on a Cray XT3. Is there anyone with experience > building Sage on machines like the Cray? > > Wow. You might want to look at some of the issues people have had building it on Cygwin

[sage-devel] Building Sage on a Cray XT3

2013-01-15 Thread Charles Celerier
Hello, I would like to build Sage on a Cray XT3. Is there anyone with experience building Sage on machines like the Cray? Charles -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com.

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage Days in Bobo-Dioulasso debriefing; Sage in developping countries

2013-01-15 Thread Emil Widmann
Am Dienstag, 15. Januar 2013 15:42:16 UTC+1 schrieb Jan Groenewald: > > Hi KCrisman, > > I'm not sure what Emil's ISO is. Is it a LIVECD only or an installer too? > (The Ubuntu one is both.) Where can it be downloaded? > It is a Live CD, but has of course an installer built in. You can download

[sage-devel] Re: git integration repository, please test

2013-01-15 Thread Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
On 15 January 2013 12:44, R. Andrew Ohana wrote: > such use cases. I would rather see sage use a lightweight, relatively > minimally featured package manager that was designed from the ground up for > prefixed environments, however, I am not aware of any package manager around > that satisfies suc

[sage-devel] Re: Weird error with ints on OSX 10.4 and the new memory stuff

2013-01-15 Thread Volker Braun
Looks like somebody at Apple had the great idea of reporting available memory in decimal fractions. Can you post the output of "top" on your machine to http://trac.sagemath.org/13959 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To post to thi

[sage-devel] Weird error with ints on OSX 10.4 and the new memory stuff

2013-01-15 Thread kcrisman
The latest GAP upgrade introduced some stuff with memory handling (see #13211). This causes very bizarre problems on one of my test machines, which #13880 do not fix. See http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/kcrisman/gap-mem-test-errors.log for the full test errors. Here is a typical one: *

[sage-devel] Re: git integration repository, please test

2013-01-15 Thread R. Andrew Ohana
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Burcin Erocal wrote: > On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 10:27:38 -0500 > Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso wrote: > > > Actually, I don't see what ditching hg has anything to do with the > > real meat of the actual problem, fixing the build system. > > +1000 > > I don't recall the desi

[sage-devel] Re: git integration repository, please test

2013-01-15 Thread Burcin Erocal
On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 08:32:29 -0800 (PST) Timo Kluck wrote: > Op dinsdag 15 januari 2013 17:01:09 UTC+1 schreef Burcin Erocal het > volgende: > > Why don't we discuss the solutions to these problems > > separately and put them into action? > > > > - Development model: > > > >I like the i

Re: [sage-devel] Re: git integration repository, please test

2013-01-15 Thread Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
On 15 January 2013 11:27, kcrisman wrote: > As for me and my ilk, really the only advantage would be to have the > "instant patch" thing you can do on Github and perhaps doing something > easier than queues for big changes (which I'm not convinced branches are). > If we can do this with Mercurial

[sage-devel] Re: git integration repository, please test

2013-01-15 Thread Timo Kluck
Op dinsdag 15 januari 2013 17:01:09 UTC+1 schreef Burcin Erocal het volgende: > > On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 10:27:38 -0500 > > Keshav, Jordi and many others have pointed these out before, but > our main problem seems to be: > > - we are not really using a DVCS > - the build system is showing its l

[sage-devel] Re: git integration repository, please test

2013-01-15 Thread kcrisman
On Tuesday, January 15, 2013 11:01:09 AM UTC-5, Burcin Erocal wrote: > > On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 10:27:38 -0500 > Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso > wrote: > > > Actually, I don't see what ditching hg has anything to do with the > > real meat of the actual problem, fixing the build system. > > +1000 > >

[sage-devel] Re: git integration repository, please test

2013-01-15 Thread Burcin Erocal
On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 10:27:38 -0500 Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso wrote: > Actually, I don't see what ditching hg has anything to do with the > real meat of the actual problem, fixing the build system. +1000 I don't recall the design of the new "development model", "directory structure" or "build syst

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage Days in Bobo-Dioulasso debriefing; Sage in developping countries

2013-01-15 Thread Jan Groenewald
Hi KCrisman, I'm not sure what Emil's ISO is. Is it a LIVECD only or an installer too? (The Ubuntu one is both.) Where can it be downloaded? For Mac, you need to also use rEFIt boot manager, but you can use the same ISO for installing Ubuntu: http://lifehacker.com/5934942/how-to-dual-boot-linux-o

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage Days in Bobo-Dioulasso debriefing; Sage in developping countries

2013-01-15 Thread kcrisman
Hi > > I have an ISO installer image (Ubuntu + Sage) which I'd like to make > available to the Sage community. > It is a 1.6G file created by UCK which I'd like to host on Sage servers, > to preserve our institutional bandwidth. > > Great! Please let us know when it's been hosted so we can try

[sage-devel] Re: Latex in sage

2013-01-15 Thread P Purkayastha
On 01/15/2013 02:12 PM, Andrew Mathas wrote: Almost every object in sage can return latex output. I think that the answer is no, but is there anyway to tell whether the latex output should be typeset in math-mode or as plain text? For example, sage: latex(CyclicPermutationGroup(5).character_tab

Re: [sage-devel] Defining Clifford Algebras

2013-01-15 Thread Dox
Hi David, Thank you for pointing out such an interesting feature of SymPy. I've been checking the documentation, and it seems to do nice things, but I feel it a bit extrange... the notation and the usage in not quite clear. Although I tried some of the examples in the documentation and got no

Re: [sage-devel] raspberry pi build fails - ARM

2013-01-15 Thread tom d
Hi, I'm working on exactly this (and have been on-and-off since last month). I actually JUST TODAY finished compiling lib4mrie on the nth attempt. I am doing the compilation on an 8gb USB stick with 3gb set as swap and the rest as an ext4-fs. THe above comments are spot on: after about 20m wor

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage Days in Bobo-Dioulasso debriefing; Sage in developping countries

2013-01-15 Thread Jan Groenewald
Hi I have an ISO installer image (Ubuntu + Sage) which I'd like to make available to the Sage community. It is a 1.6G file created by UCK which I'd like to host on Sage servers, to preserve our institutional bandwidth. This can be useful to anyone hosting or teaching a Sage workshop, or willing t

Re: [sage-devel] Memory maintenance continued

2013-01-15 Thread Robert Bradshaw
+1 On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > I'd like to take this opportunity to thank the people involved in > tracking down this nasty Cython bug and preparing #715 and related > tickets in the first place. This is mainly the work of Simon King, > Jean-Pierre Flori and Nils B