Re: [sage-devel] Rigor of matrix rank over ZZ

On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 11:11 PM, Julien Puydt wrote: > Le 12/07/2012 07:56, William Stein a écrit : > >> On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 10:19 PM, Julien Puydt >> wrote: >>> >>> Le 12/07/2012 04:45, Fredrik Johansson a écrit : >>> Matrix_integer_dense.rank first tries to establish that the matrix ha

Re: [sage-devel] Rigor of matrix rank over ZZ

Le 12/07/2012 07:56, William Stein a écrit : On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 10:19 PM, Julien Puydt wrote: Le 12/07/2012 04:45, Fredrik Johansson a écrit : Matrix_integer_dense.rank first tries to establish that the matrix has full rank modulo a random prime. If this fails, it calls Linbox. As far as

Re: [sage-devel] Rigor of matrix rank over ZZ

On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 10:19 PM, Julien Puydt wrote: > Le 12/07/2012 04:45, Fredrik Johansson a écrit : > >> Matrix_integer_dense.rank first tries to establish that the matrix has >> full rank modulo a random prime. If this fails, it calls Linbox. As >> far as I can see, the rank() function in Li

Re: [sage-devel] Rigor of matrix rank over ZZ

Le 12/07/2012 04:45, Fredrik Johansson a écrit : Matrix_integer_dense.rank first tries to establish that the matrix has full rank modulo a random prime. If this fails, it calls Linbox. As far as I can see, the rank() function in Linbox (in matrix-rank.h) also just computes the rank modulo one ran

[sage-devel] Rigor of matrix rank over ZZ

Matrix_integer_dense.rank first tries to establish that the matrix has full rank modulo a random prime. If this fails, it calls Linbox. As far as I can see, the rank() function in Linbox (in matrix-rank.h) also just computes the rank modulo one random prime. Am I just looking at the wrong functions

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Code duplication and aliases in methods

If the intent is to control the namespace and break up into a number of small files but retain tab auto completion and view docs then perhaps this is strategy to consider: http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=254507 -- -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googleg

[sage-devel] Re: ECL on Cygwin

This looks related https://svn.boost.org/trac/boost/ticket/2660. So I guess ECL uses win32 sockets and Cygwin does not accept that anymore? -- -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegro

Re: [sage-devel] Ubuntu installation instructions

Hi On 11 July 2012 21:17, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > On 2012-07-11 17:11, Jan Groenewald wrote: > > Maybe it should be. It is not. > Weird, I still don't get why it should be that hard. Could you show > what you did? I mean, show the sources of the "binary" PPA. > Maybe because I was not experie

Re: [sage-devel] Re: sagemath down?

On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 10:48 AM, William Stein wrote: > Hi, > > I've disabled what Jason did, so now http://wiki.sagemath.org doesn't > depend on aleph.sagemath.org being up. Since geom is back, I've re-enabled http://wiki.sagemath.org.I've also taken measures to help diagnose the problem...

Re: [sage-devel] Ubuntu installation instructions

On 2012-07-11 17:11, Jan Groenewald wrote: > Maybe it should be. It is not. Weird, I still don't get why it should be that hard. Could you show what you did? I mean, show the sources of the "binary" PPA. -- -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe f

[sage-devel] Re: ECL on Cygwin

This must be a Cygwin problem because ECL 10.4.1 fails with the same error. -- -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.goog

[sage-devel] Re: ECL on Cygwin

I've just tried to compile ECL 12.2.1 outside of Sage and got similar failures... ECL 11.1.1 just does not build (see Sage's trac #9), but that got fixed later. -- -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-

Re: [sage-devel] Re: sagemath down?

Hi, I've disabled what Jason did, so now http://wiki.sagemath.org doesn't depend on aleph.sagemath.org being up. -- William On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 10:45 AM, William Stein wrote: > On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 10:42 AM, William Stein wrote: >> On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 7:20 AM, Nicolas M. Thiery >>

Re: [sage-devel] Re: sagemath down?

On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 10:42 AM, William Stein wrote: > On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 7:20 AM, Nicolas M. Thiery > wrote: >> On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 09:07:22AM -0500, Nicolas M. Thiery wrote: >>> Is sagemath down? All the following are unresponsive: >>> >>> - http://combinat.sagemath.org >>> - http:

Re: [sage-devel] Re: sagemath down?

On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 7:20 AM, Nicolas M. Thiery wrote: > On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 09:07:22AM -0500, Nicolas M. Thiery wrote: >> Is sagemath down? All the following are unresponsive: >> >> - http://combinat.sagemath.org >> - http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ >> - http://sagemath.org (serve

[sage-devel] ECL on Cygwin

Dear all, I'm currently trying to build Sage on Cygwin (latest version on Windows 7 64 bits). Python and MPIR were problematic but I managed to overcome these difficulties. Now I'm stuck with ECL which errors with: ;;; Emitting code for (SETF SOCKOPT-TCP-NODELAY). In file included from /usr/incl

Re: [sage-devel] Ubuntu installation instructions

HI On 11 July 2012 17:40, Julien Puydt wrote: > Le 11/07/2012 17:14, Jan Groenewald a écrit : > >> On 11 July 2012 17:12, Julien Puydt > > wrote: >> Uh, debian/rules has a target to trigger a build -- and it can >> definitely run make. In fact, it gene

Re: [sage-devel] Ubuntu installation instructions

Le 11/07/2012 17:14, Jan Groenewald a écrit : On 11 July 2012 17:12, Julien Puydt mailto:julien.pu...@laposte.net>> wrote: Uh, debian/rules has a target to trigger a build -- and it can definitely run make. In fact, it generally does just that! If you show me how, I'll maintain the from-

Re: [sage-devel] Ubuntu installation instructions

Le 11/07/2012 17:09, Jeroen Demeyer a écrit : On 2012-07-11 16:55, Julien Puydt wrote: They definitely wouldn't like a source package which hides a hundred of others -- especially when those others are already in ubuntu separately! Can we find out, ask them if needed? Wouldn't they be happy if

Re: [sage-devel] Ubuntu installation instructions

Hi On 11 July 2012 17:12, Julien Puydt wrote: > Le 11/07/2012 17:05, Jan Groenewald a écrit : > >> Hi >> >> On 11 July 2012 16:48, Jeroen Demeyer > > wrote: >> >> On 2012-07-11 16:02, Julien Puydt wrote: >> > Well, apparently some longer explanations are

Re: [sage-devel] Ubuntu installation instructions

Hi On 11 July 2012 17:09, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > On 2012-07-11 16:55, Julien Puydt wrote: > > They definitely wouldn't like a source package which hides a hundred of > > others -- especially when those others are already in ubuntu separately! > > Can we find out, ask them if needed? Wouldn'

Re: [sage-devel] Ubuntu installation instructions

Le 11/07/2012 17:05, Jan Groenewald a écrit : Hi On 11 July 2012 16:48, Jeroen Demeyer mailto:jdeme...@cage.ugent.be>> wrote: On 2012-07-11 16:02, Julien Puydt wrote: > Well, apparently some longer explanations are needed. I understand all of this, but that wasn't my question.

Re: [sage-devel] Ubuntu installation instructions

Hi On 11 July 2012 17:06, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > On 2012-07-11 16:15, Jan Groenewald wrote: > > I don't know how. I could not find out in reasonable time. > > It is in fact a modified makefile, with some additional debian syntax. > But didn't you already have to create such a file for the PPA y

Re: [sage-devel] Ubuntu installation instructions

Hi On 11 July 2012 16:55, Julien Puydt wrote: > I have better hopes for the debian work going on : separate packages for > separate spkg. No sage-as-a-distribution, but a serious sage-as-a-software > packaging. > > It's not there yet, but things are getting in place. > > The original question wa

Re: [sage-devel] Ubuntu installation instructions

On 2012-07-11 16:55, Julien Puydt wrote: > They definitely wouldn't like a source package which hides a hundred of > others -- especially when those others are already in ubuntu separately! Can we find out, ask them if needed? Wouldn't they be happy if it makes their end users happy by allowing an

Re: [sage-devel] Ubuntu installation instructions

On 2012-07-11 17:05, Jan Groenewald wrote: > Neither Launchpad nor Debian Magic allows one to trivially run "make" Please elaborate. How do they prevent you from running "make"? -- -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an ema

Re: [sage-devel] Ubuntu installation instructions

On 2012-07-11 16:15, Jan Groenewald wrote: > I don't know how. I could not find out in reasonable time. > It is in fact a modified makefile, with some additional debian syntax. But didn't you already have to create such a file for the PPA you currently have? Changing that to build from source on th

Re: [sage-devel] Ubuntu installation instructions

Hi On 11 July 2012 16:48, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > On 2012-07-11 16:02, Julien Puydt wrote: > > Well, apparently some longer explanations are needed. > I understand all of this, but that wasn't my question. > > Let me try to phrase my question better: > > Currently, Jan Groenewald has a Debian Sa

Re: [sage-devel] Ubuntu installation instructions

Le 11/07/2012 16:48, Jeroen Demeyer a écrit : On 2012-07-11 16:02, Julien Puydt wrote: Well, apparently some longer explanations are needed. I understand all of this, but that wasn't my question. Let me try to phrase my question better: Currently, Jan Groenewald has a Debian Sage source packa

Re: [sage-devel] Ubuntu installation instructions

On 2012-07-11 16:02, Julien Puydt wrote: > Well, apparently some longer explanations are needed. I understand all of this, but that wasn't my question. Let me try to phrase my question better: Currently, Jan Groenewald has a Debian Sage source package which is in reality a Sage binary with some D

[sage-devel] sagemath down?

Hi! Is sagemath down? All the following are unresponsive: - http://combinat.sagemath.org - http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ - http://sagemath.org (server not found) - ssh -v sage.sagemath.org OpenSSH_5.8p1 Debian-7ubuntu1, OpenSSL 1.0.0e 6 Sep 2011 ... ssh: Could not res

Re: [sage-devel] Ubuntu installation instructions

Le 11/07/2012 15:57, Jeroen Demeyer a écrit : On 2012-07-11 15:49, Jan Groenewald wrote: I don't think it makes a big difference if I take a buildbot built binary, or whether I make one myself We would automatically support all systems that Launchpad supports (are there more versions/architectu

[sage-devel] Re: sagemath down?

On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 09:07:22AM -0500, Nicolas M. Thiery wrote: > Is sagemath down? All the following are unresponsive: > > - http://combinat.sagemath.org > - http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ > - http://sagemath.org (server not found) > - ssh -v sage.sagemath.org >OpenSSH_5.8p1 Deb

Re: [sage-devel] Ubuntu installation instructions

Hi On 11 July 2012 15:59, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > On 2012-07-11 15:49, Jan Groenewald wrote: > > where the inside of that file lists all my upstream tarball and debian > > package managment files that are uploaded with it. After that launchpad > > does not run make, it runs debuild, the main par

Re: [sage-devel] Ubuntu installation instructions

Le 11/07/2012 15:36, Jeroen Demeyer a écrit : On 2012-07-11 15:13, Jan Groenewald wrote: When my time allows, a monolithic from-source is my next project. Apologies if I ask a totally stupid question, but why can't you replace the "download and extract binary" step that you currently have by "

Re: [sage-devel] Ubuntu installation instructions

On 2012-07-11 15:49, Jan Groenewald wrote: > where the inside of that file lists all my upstream tarball and debian > package managment files that are uploaded with it. After that launchpad > does not run make, it runs debuild, the main part being debian/rules build. This debian/rules thing is some

Re: [sage-devel] Ubuntu installation instructions

On 2012-07-11 15:49, Jan Groenewald wrote: > I don't think it makes a big difference if I take a buildbot built binary, > or whether I make one myself We would automatically support all systems that Launchpad supports (are there more versions/architectures of Ubuntu on Launchpad than currently on t

Re: [sage-devel] Ubuntu installation instructions

Hi On 11 July 2012 15:36, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > On 2012-07-11 15:13, Jan Groenewald wrote: > > When my time allows, a monolithic from-source is my next project. > > Apologies if I ask a totally stupid question, but why can't you replace > the "download and extract binary" step that you current

Re: [sage-devel] Ubuntu installation instructions

Hi On 11 July 2012 15:25, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > On 2012-07-11 15:13, Jan Groenewald wrote: > > It's too hard. Sage fails to compile. > > I spent some trying this, and got stuck on too many > > library errors in too many different components of Sage. > How does this build Sage? Clearly it does

Re: [sage-devel] Ubuntu installation instructions

On 2012-07-11 15:13, Jan Groenewald wrote: > When my time allows, a monolithic from-source is my next project. Apologies if I ask a totally stupid question, but why can't you replace the "download and extract binary" step that you currently have by "dowload and extract source && make"? In other w

Re: [sage-devel] Ubuntu installation instructions

On 2012-07-11 15:13, Jan Groenewald wrote: > It's too hard. Sage fails to compile. > I spent some trying this, and got stuck on too many > library errors in too many different components of Sage. How does this build Sage? Clearly it doesn't just do "make", but then what does it do? -- -- To pos

Re: [sage-devel] Ubuntu installation instructions

Hi Jeroen, On 11 July 2012 13:44, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > Another obvious question: why are we not actually building from source > on Launchpad? From what I understand, building from source is the usual > thing to do. It's too hard. Sage fails to compile. I could not fix it. I spent some try

Re: [sage-devel] Ubuntu installation instructions

Another obvious question: why are we not actually building from source on Launchpad? From what I understand, building from source is the usual thing to do. -- -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsu

Re: [sage-devel] sage_object.pyx test failed in Ubuntu PPA version of Sage

Hi On 11 July 2012 13:16, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > On 2012-07-11 13:10, Jan Groenewald wrote: > > Any ideas? > Don't doctest as root. > Oops, my bad. Thanks, passes now. Regards, Jan -- .~. /V\ Jan Groenewald /( )\www.aims.ac.za ^^-^^ -- -- To post to this group, send an ema

Re: [sage-devel] Ubuntu installation instructions

Hi On 11 July 2012 13:04, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > On 2012-07-11 12:57, Jan Groenewald wrote: > > When launchpad "builds" my package, it is spending about an hour and a > half > > untarring and uncompressing and retarring and recompressing the amd64 and > > i686 binaries I got from sagemath.org <

Re: [sage-devel] sage_object.pyx test failed in Ubuntu PPA version of Sage

On 2012-07-11 13:10, Jan Groenewald wrote: > Any ideas? Don't doctest as root. -- -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.g

[sage-devel] sage_object.pyx test failed in Ubuntu PPA version of Sage

Hi While running the new 12.04 PPA version of Sage, I did sage -testall. One test failed: 0 root@snapperkob:/usr/lib/sage#sage -t -force_lib "devel/sage/sage/structure/sage_object.pyx" sage -t -force_lib "devel/sage/sage/structure/sage_object.pyx" ***

Re: [sage-devel] Ubuntu installation instructions

On 2012-07-11 12:57, Jan Groenewald wrote: > When launchpad "builds" my package, it is spending about an hour and a half > untarring and uncompressing and retarring and recompressing the amd64 and > i686 binaries I got from sagemath.org (those built > by the current sage build

Re: [sage-devel] Ubuntu installation instructions

Hi On 11 July 2012 12:49, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > On 2012-07-11 11:33, Jan Groenewald wrote: > > Hi > > > > On 11 July 2012 11:24, Andrea Lazzarotto > > wrote: > > > > Well, maybe I didn't understand properly your "they"... did you mean > > the final

Re: [sage-devel] Ubuntu installation instructions

On 2012-07-11 11:33, Jan Groenewald wrote: > Hi > > On 11 July 2012 11:24, Andrea Lazzarotto > wrote: > > Well, maybe I didn't understand properly your "they"... did you mean > the final users or the Launchpad system? > > Launchpad "builds", yes. Usua

Re: [sage-devel] Ubuntu installation instructions

On 2012-07-11 11:08, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > On 2012-07-11 10:58, Jan Groenewald wrote: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_Package_Archive >> http://blog.launchpad.net/ppa/personal-package-archives-for-everyone >> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas > > So if I understand things correctly, we

Re: [sage-devel] Ubuntu installation instructions

Hi On 11 July 2012 11:45, Andrea Lazzarotto wrote: > Ok yes, at the first time I misunderstood the sentence and thought you > were talking about standard users, in a Gentoo like fashion. Sorry for the > confusion. > I cannot resist. Gentoo users are "standard"? http://funroll-loops.info/ ;-) Re

Re: [sage-devel] Ubuntu installation instructions

Ok yes, at the first time I misunderstood the sentence and thought you were talking about standard users, in a Gentoo like fashion. Sorry for the confusion. Andrea Lazzarotto (inviato da Android) -- -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this

Re: [sage-devel] Ubuntu installation instructions

Hi On 11 July 2012 11:24, Andrea Lazzarotto wrote: > Well, maybe I didn't understand properly your "they"... did you mean the > final users or the Launchpad system? > Launchpad "builds", yes. Usually source. In our case a debian package wrapped around a binary. So "building" is midleading. Also

Re: [sage-devel] Ubuntu installation instructions

Hi On 11 July 2012 11:23, Andrea Lazzarotto wrote: > > Il giorno 11/lug/2012 11:08, "Jeroen Demeyer" ha > scritto: > > > > > On 2012-07-11 10:58, Jan Groenewald wrote: > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_Package_Archive > > > http://blog.launchpad.net/ppa/personal-package-archives-for-ev

Re: [sage-devel] Ubuntu installation instructions

Hi On 11 July 2012 11:08, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > On 2012-07-11 10:58, Jan Groenewald wrote: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_Package_Archive > > http://blog.launchpad.net/ppa/personal-package-archives-for-everyone > > https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas > > So if I understand things cor

Re: [sage-devel] Ubuntu installation instructions

Well, maybe I didn't understand properly your "they"... did you mean the final users or the Launchpad system? Andrea Lazzarotto (inviato da Android) Il giorno 11/lug/2012 11:23, "Andrea Lazzarotto" < andrea.lazzaro...@gmail.com> ha scritto: > > Il giorno 11/lug/2012 11:08, "Jeroen Demeyer" ha >

Re: [sage-devel] Ubuntu installation instructions

Hi Normally, PPAs are used to compile source the debian way into debian packages. I work at an institution that heavily uses both Sage and Ubuntu, upgrades a lot institutionally, trains people with low Linux Skills to run similar institutional deployments, offer it to private visitor laptops and

Re: [sage-devel] Ubuntu installation instructions

Il giorno 11/lug/2012 11:08, "Jeroen Demeyer" ha scritto: > > On 2012-07-11 10:58, Jan Groenewald wrote: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_Package_Archive > > http://blog.launchpad.net/ppa/personal-package-archives-for-everyone > > https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas > > So if I understand

Re: [sage-devel] Ubuntu installation instructions

On 2012-07-11 10:58, Jan Groenewald wrote: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_Package_Archive > http://blog.launchpad.net/ppa/personal-package-archives-for-everyone > https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas So if I understand things correctly, we give them our source and they build it for us, is t

Re: [sage-devel] Ubuntu installation instructions

Hi On 11 July 2012 10:43, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > On 2012-07-11 10:28, Jan Groenewald wrote: > > Hi > > > > Could we add PPA (Ubuntu 11.04 and higher) installation instructions to: > > http://www.sagemath.org/doc/installation/binary.html#linux-and-os-x > > > > sudo apt-add-repository -y ppa:aims

Re: [sage-devel] Ubuntu installation instructions

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_Package_Archive (Wikipedia has several possibilities for PPA but I assume this is not the Professional Putters Association, or any of the others). John On 11 July 2012 09:50, Minh Nguyen wrote: > Hi Jan, > > On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 6:28 PM, Jan Groene

Re: [sage-devel] Ubuntu installation instructions

Hi Jan, On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 6:28 PM, Jan Groenewald wrote: > Could we add PPA (Ubuntu 11.04 and higher) installation instructions to: > http://www.sagemath.org/doc/installation/binary.html#linux-and-os-x This is now ticket #13228: http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/13228 On the tick

Re: [sage-devel] Ubuntu installation instructions

On 2012-07-11 10:28, Jan Groenewald wrote: > Hi > > Could we add PPA (Ubuntu 11.04 and higher) installation instructions to: > http://www.sagemath.org/doc/installation/binary.html#linux-and-os-x > > sudo apt-add-repository -y ppa:aims/sagemath > sudo apt-get update > sudo apt-get install sagemath

Re: [sage-devel] Ubuntu installation instructions

I didn't know about the PPA, that's great! :-) Andrea Lazzarotto (inviato da Android) -- -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://

[sage-devel] Ubuntu installation instructions

Hi Could we add PPA (Ubuntu 11.04 and higher) installation instructions to: http://www.sagemath.org/doc/installation/binary.html#linux-and-os-x sudo apt-add-repository -y ppa:aims/sagemath sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get install sagemath-upstream-binary sudo apt-get get install sagemath-optional

[sage-devel] Sage 5.1 released

Sage 5.1 was released on 09 July 2012. It is available in source and binary form from: * http://www.sagemath.org/download.html Sage (http://www.sagemath.org/) is developed by volunteers and combines over 90 open source packages. For instructions about installing Sage, see * http://www.sagema