Re: [sage-devel] Adding GCC and MPC as standard packages

2012-03-11 Thread Julien Puydt
Le dimanche 11 mars, William Stein a écrit: > +1. (and I *hate* adding packages) As it's optional, it's not really added: +1 too. And I hate packages... Snark on #sagemath -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to

[sage-devel] Re: Patchbot reporting a doctest failure that I can't reproduce

2012-03-11 Thread Nils Bruin
On Mar 11, 8:46 pm, Starx wrote: > The patchbot is reporting a doctest failure in a patch of > mine:http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/12630#comment:10 > > The failure itself is completely benign, "a + b" is being returned > when "b + a" is expected, but the addition is commutative anyway.

Re: [sage-devel] Patchbot reporting a doctest failure that I can't reproduce

2012-03-11 Thread John H Palmieri
On Sunday, March 11, 2012 8:46:55 PM UTC-7, Starx wrote: > > The patchbot is reporting a doctest failure in a patch of mine: > http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/12630#comment:10 > > The failure itself is completely benign, "a + b" is being returned > when "b + a" is expected, but the addi

[sage-devel] Patchbot reporting a doctest failure that I can't reproduce

2012-03-11 Thread Starx
The patchbot is reporting a doctest failure in a patch of mine: http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/12630#comment:10 The failure itself is completely benign, "a + b" is being returned when "b + a" is expected, but the addition is commutative anyway. So I'm not so concerned with the particul

[sage-devel] how temporary is the "Shortened temporary link" in the single cell server?

2012-03-11 Thread Dan Drake
Hi, I just sent a student an email with some links to computations on the single cell server on aleph.sagemath.org. I used the "shortened temporary links" to get something shorter. But how long will those links work? (I'm imagining coming back to that email years later, and wondering what I sent

[sage-devel] Re: Wolfram on Reddit

2012-03-11 Thread Keshav Kini
kcrisman writes: > Incidentally, I hear that Siri uses W|A for some of "her" > interactions. No, I don't have a reference. Well, Wolfram and others did mention it on the Reddit thread you linked. -Keshav Join us in #sagemath on irc.freenode.net ! -- To post to this group, send an email

Re: [sage-devel] Adding GCC and MPC as standard packages

2012-03-11 Thread William Stein
On Sunday, March 11, 2012, Florent Hivert wrote: > Hi, > > On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 11:15:35PM +0100, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: >> I have made a spkg for GCC (GNU compiler collection) version 4.6.3 with >> compilers for C, C++ and Fortran, see Trac #12369. >> >> The GCC spkg depends on an MPC (mul

[sage-devel] Re: python3

2012-03-11 Thread kcrisman
On Mar 10, 12:23 pm, William Stein wrote: > On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 8:16 AM, Keshav Kini wrote: > > William Stein writes: > >> Hi, > > >> Have you ever wondered how difficult it might be to switch Sage from > >> Python 2.7 to Python 3.x?  Some students in my course made a webpage > >> that sum

[sage-devel] Re: distutils versus setuptools for the Sage library (was Re: Segregating development from production)

2012-03-11 Thread kcrisman
> We should.  The only reason we don't is because when I set things up > in 2004 (?) I think setuptools "python setup.py develop" either didn't > exist, or I had never heard of it.   What *should* happen is that we > use setuptools instead of distutils, and the Sage library would live > 100% and o

[sage-devel] Re: Wolfram on Reddit

2012-03-11 Thread kcrisman
> > But I still maintain that Stephen Wolfram will never definitively make > > Mathematica the world's easiest to learn language. > > > I take exception to what he said: > > > "It'll probably be related to my goal in the next year or two of making > > Mathematica definitively the world's easiest t

Re: [sage-devel] Wolfram on Reddit

2012-03-11 Thread Tom Boothby
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: > On 03/11/12 05:00 PM, Volker Braun wrote: >> >> On Saturday, March 10, 2012 3:59:24 PM UTC-5, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: >>> >>> >>> HARD >>> C++, Mathematica >>> >> The Mathematica language is just difficult because its ugly and uses weird

Re: [sage-devel] GCC package (#12369) needs review

2012-03-11 Thread William Stein
On Sunday, March 11, 2012, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > I have made a spkg for GCC (GNU compiler collection) version 4.6.3 with > compilers for C, C++ and Fortran. Thank you!!! This is very awesome!! I will review it if i get to it before somebody else. > We don't always build GCC, by default > onl

Re: [sage-devel] Adding GCC and MPC as standard packages

2012-03-11 Thread Florent Hivert
Hi, On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 11:15:35PM +0100, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > I have made a spkg for GCC (GNU compiler collection) version 4.6.3 with > compilers for C, C++ and Fortran, see Trac #12369. > > The GCC spkg depends on an MPC (multi-precision complex numbers) spkg. > There has been an o

[sage-devel] Adding GCC and MPC as standard packages

2012-03-11 Thread Jeroen Demeyer
I have made a spkg for GCC (GNU compiler collection) version 4.6.3 with compilers for C, C++ and Fortran, see Trac #12369. The GCC spkg depends on an MPC (multi-precision complex numbers) spkg. There has been an optional MPC package and a Sage interface for it. GCC would use the upgraded MPC pack

[sage-devel] GCC package (#12369) needs review

2012-03-11 Thread Jeroen Demeyer
I have made a spkg for GCC (GNU compiler collection) version 4.6.3 with compilers for C, C++ and Fortran. We don't always build GCC, by default only on systems where this is needed or which have an old GCC version. The main motivation for this ticket was to make Sage work on OS X 10.7. But I thi

Re: [sage-devel] Wolfram on Reddit

2012-03-11 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 03/11/12 05:00 PM, Volker Braun wrote: On Saturday, March 10, 2012 3:59:24 PM UTC-5, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: HARD C++, Mathematica The Mathematica language is just difficult because its ugly and uses weird operators (hello /. operator). But in terms of difficulty its a far cry from C++ whi

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Making simplification safe

2012-03-11 Thread David Roe
In this case I have to agree with Richard. The problem is not for real domains, where it's possible to make a continuous choice of square root. But for complex input there's no nice way to choose which root you want. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complex_plane#Multi-valued_relationships_and_bra

Re: [sage-devel] Wolfram on Reddit

2012-03-11 Thread Volker Braun
On Saturday, March 10, 2012 3:59:24 PM UTC-5, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: > > HARD > C++, Mathematica > The Mathematica language is just difficult because its ugly and uses weird operators (hello /. operator). But in terms of difficulty its a far cry from C++ which is really three totally different T

[sage-devel] Re: Making simplification safe

2012-03-11 Thread Peter H.
The mathematical square root is a function, which maps a given domain value to exactly one range value. That is why textbooks drum into students' heads that, for example, 2^2 = (-2)^2 however sqrt(2^2) = sqrt((-2)^2) = 2. Functions do not map one domain value to one range value hal

[sage-devel] Re: distutils versus setuptools for the Sage library

2012-03-11 Thread Keshav Kini
"Nicolas M. Thiery" writes: > Besides, this would solve the problem of unrelevant files not being > cleared up from the build directory when applying / unapplying patches > which create new files. I have just been hit by this, and this > confused Sphinx, and it was a pain to fix. I was just about

Re: [sage-devel] distutils versus setuptools for the Sage library (was Re: Segregating development from production)

2012-03-11 Thread Nicolas M. Thiery
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 12:53:45PM +0100, Nicolas M. Thiery wrote: > Another advantage is that it would not require to run `sage -b` after > each trivial change to a Python file. This will save me a few seconds > at each modify-test cycle, which will soon build up to a couple > minutes per days. B

Re: [sage-devel] distutils versus setuptools for the Sage library (was Re: Segregating development from production)

2012-03-11 Thread Nicolas M. Thiery
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 06:59:56AM -0800, William Stein wrote: > Making this change would (1) avoid an enormous amount of confusion > when people type "foo??" and see the source location, which is not the > path to the file they should edit A big +1 to that change. Another advantage is that it wo

[sage-devel] Re: Wolfram on Reddit

2012-03-11 Thread Harald Schilly
On Saturday, March 10, 2012 2:53:25 PM UTC+1, rjf wrote: > > > It is not a simple language. I'm sure you all know more about this than me. Is there a common way to "measure" this? What I'm thinking about are those grammar dependency trees. >From my personal experience and looking at those gr