[sage-devel] Re: patchbot and recursive dependencies

2011-06-08 Thread Paul-Olivier Dehaye
that s probably the reason. i was aware too late of the dependencies field. On Jun 8, 6:08 pm, Robert Bradshaw wrote: > On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 8:48 AM, Robert Bradshaw > > > > wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 12:07 AM, Paul-Olivier Dehaye > > wrote: > >> Hi all > >> I was looking at the patchb

[sage-devel] Re: patchbot and recursive dependencies

2011-06-08 Thread Paul-Olivier Dehaye
> Did you do an "hg export?" i did hg_sage.export , or at least i think so. not sure i know what else i could have done On Jun 8, 5:48 pm, Robert Bradshaw wrote: > On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 12:07 AM, Paul-Olivier Dehaye > > wrote: > > Hi all > > I was looking at the patchbot for my patches, and lo

Re: [sage-devel] Re: 0.0 versus 0.00000000000

2011-06-08 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > On 2011-06-08 21:23, Jason Grout wrote: >> So there is already something special about where the decimal point is >> placed. > Not really.  My claim is that > 4.00 > and > 400. > and >

[sage-devel] Re: 0.0 versus 0.00000000000

2011-06-08 Thread Nils Bruin
On Jun 8, 12:23 pm, Jason Grout wrote: > But we already have the convention that zeros after the decimal indicate > precision: [...] > So there is already something special about where the decimal point is > placed. Actually, it looks to me like it's zeros after a non-zero digit that have a spec

Re: [sage-devel] Re: 0.0 versus 0.00000000000

2011-06-08 Thread Jeroen Demeyer
On 2011-06-08 21:23, Jason Grout wrote: > So there is already something special about where the decimal point is > placed. Not really. My claim is that 4.00 and 400. and 400e100 should have the same precision. I d

[sage-devel] Re: 0.0 versus 0.00000000000

2011-06-08 Thread Jason Grout
On 6/8/11 2:17 PM, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: On 2011-06-08 21:09, Jason Grout wrote: On 6/8/11 2:04 PM, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: On Trac ticket #8896 (http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/8896), there is some discussion about whether or not the number 0. (with many zeros) should have a hi

Re: [sage-devel] Re: 0.0 versus 0.00000000000

2011-06-08 Thread Jeroen Demeyer
On 2011-06-08 21:09, Jason Grout wrote: > On 6/8/11 2:04 PM, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: >> On Trac ticket #8896 (http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/8896), >> there is some discussion about whether or not the number 0. >> (with many zeros) should have a higher precision than 0.0. Currentl

[sage-devel] Re: chrome and trac

2011-06-08 Thread Jason Grout
On 6/8/11 2:03 PM, Benjamin Jones wrote: That's weird. I'm using the exact same Chrome and OSX versions and I don't see any problems with the Trac pages. Did you try a complete "clear browsing data"? Thanks; that seems to have cleared up the problem for me. Jason -- To post to this group, s

[sage-devel] Re: 0.0 versus 0.00000000000

2011-06-08 Thread Jason Grout
On 6/8/11 2:04 PM, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: On Trac ticket #8896 (http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/8896), there is some discussion about whether or not the number 0. (with many zeros) should have a higher precision than 0.0. Currently, 0.0 and 0. have the same preci

[sage-devel] 0.0 versus 0.00000000000

2011-06-08 Thread Jeroen Demeyer
On Trac ticket #8896 (http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/8896), there is some discussion about whether or not the number 0. (with many zeros) should have a higher precision than 0.0. Currently, 0.0 and 0. have the same precision of 53 bits. In my opinion, the curren

Re: [sage-devel] chrome and trac

2011-06-08 Thread Benjamin Jones
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Jason Grout wrote: > For a long time now (maybe several months?), when I access trac using Chrome > on OSX, it seems like a stylesheet isn't loaded, so the page is missing a > lot of the nice formatting.  I posted a screenshot here: > > http://sage.math.washington.e

[sage-devel] chrome and trac

2011-06-08 Thread Jason Grout
For a long time now (maybe several months?), when I access trac using Chrome on OSX, it seems like a stylesheet isn't loaded, so the page is missing a lot of the nice formatting. I posted a screenshot here: http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/jason/chrome-no-style.png Does anyone else see th

[sage-devel] Re: Question about coercion

2011-06-08 Thread Simon King
Hi Volker, On 8 Jun., 20:18, Volker Braun wrote: > Sounds like you want to add a section to the developer's guide > (http://sagemath.org/doc/developer)? I guess it depends on the size. If the size is moderate then it could become a subsection of http://www.sagemath.org/doc/developer/writing_code

[sage-devel] Re: Question about coercion

2011-06-08 Thread Volker Braun
Sounds like you want to add a section to the developer's guide (http://sagemath.org/doc/developer)? A good introduction into parent/elements and categories is really missing there. -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an em

[sage-devel] Re: Advertising Sage development versions on the website

2011-06-08 Thread kcrisman
Could be worth mentioning in the devel release announcements as well, with a suitable "beware" for delay. Boxen can be slow at times. On Jun 8, 11:44 am, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > The last development version of Sage is always mirrored, see for > examplehttp://boxen.math.washington.edu/sage/devel

[sage-devel] [wode...@iun.edu: Re: [sage-support] Re: Trouble with sage installation on Ubuntu 11.04]

2011-06-08 Thread Jan Groenewald
Hi This ticket needs review please. Dave? Regards, Jan - Forwarded message from Bill Odefey - > Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 12:07:23 -0500 > From: Bill Odefey > To: Jan Groenewald > Subject: Re: [sage-support] Re: Trouble with sage installation on Ubuntu 11.04 > > Jan, > > That did it

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Hyperelliptic curve point counting speed regression

2011-06-08 Thread Mike Hansen
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 9:15 AM, John Cremona wrote: > Good!  Is that an educated guess, or have you tried the speed test > before & after applying the patch at #11389? I tried before and after the patch after looking into what was causing all of the traceback.format_exc to be called. --Mike --

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Hyperelliptic curve point counting speed regression

2011-06-08 Thread John Cremona
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Mike Hansen wrote: > On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 4:11 AM, John Cremona wrote: >> The same used to happen for elliptic curves, until someone (possibly >> me) decided that it was worth doing two things:  (1) if you do want to >> check that the equation is satisfied, do so

Re: [sage-devel] patchbot and recursive dependencies

2011-06-08 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 8:48 AM, Robert Bradshaw wrote: > On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 12:07 AM, Paul-Olivier Dehaye > wrote: >> Hi all >> I was looking at the patchbot for my patches, and looking at the >> results for ticket 11442, I was a bit puzzled. >> >> http://sage.math.washington.edu:21100/ticket

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Hyperelliptic curve point counting speed regression

2011-06-08 Thread Mike Hansen
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 4:11 AM, John Cremona wrote: > The same used to happen for elliptic curves, until someone (possibly > me) decided that it was worth doing two things:  (1) if you do want to > check that the equation is satisfied, do so in a naive way rather than > using the whole scheme mach

Re: [sage-devel] patchbot and recursive dependencies

2011-06-08 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 12:07 AM, Paul-Olivier Dehaye wrote: > Hi all > I was looking at the patchbot for my patches, and looking at the > results for ticket 11442, I was a bit puzzled. > > http://sage.math.washington.edu:21100/ticket/11442/ > > This happens because the bot picked up the dependency

[sage-devel] Advertising Sage development versions on the website

2011-06-08 Thread Jeroen Demeyer
The last development version of Sage is always mirrored, see for example http://boxen.math.washington.edu/sage/devel/ However, this doesn't seem to be advertised anywhere. I think the page http://boxen.math.washington.edu/sage/index.html should contain a link to the devel/ directory Also it woul

[sage-devel] Re: Worksheet -> rst?

2011-06-08 Thread kcrisman
On Jun 8, 11:25 am, Simon King wrote: > Hi! > > Is there an easy way to take an existing worksheet (with text fields, > code and output) and translate it to rst format, such that it can > easily be included in the docs? > We've been asking the same question over here on the ed side of things :)

[sage-devel] Worksheet -> rst?

2011-06-08 Thread Simon King
Hi! Is there an easy way to take an existing worksheet (with text fields, code and output) and translate it to rst format, such that it can easily be included in the docs? Cheers, Simon -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send a

[sage-devel] Re: Question about coercion

2011-06-08 Thread Jason Grout
On 6/8/11 9:14 AM, Simon King wrote: Therefore: Why not have a new thematic tutorial called "How to implement basic algebraic structures in Sage", with sub-sections on base classes, categories and coercion? It would of course be related with various modules of Sage, and there should be pointers f

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Question about coercion

2011-06-08 Thread John Cremona
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Simon King wrote: > Hi Jason, > > On 8 Jun., 14:41, Jason Grout wrote: >> I'd rather have a one-stop place for coercion documentation, so I'd >> rather have it in the coercion section of the reference manual.  It >> might be good to put pointers in the other places

[sage-devel] Re: Question about coercion

2011-06-08 Thread Simon King
Hi Jason, On 8 Jun., 14:41, Jason Grout wrote: > I'd rather have a one-stop place for coercion documentation, so I'd > rather have it in the coercion section of the reference manual.  It > might be good to put pointers in the other places for "A short guide to > implementing coercion" in the refe

[sage-devel] Re: Question about coercion

2011-06-08 Thread Jason Grout
On 6/8/11 7:31 AM, Simon King wrote: On 8 Jun., 14:26, Simon King wrote: Yes, why not? I guess it should be considered an extension ofhttp://www.sagemath.org/doc/reference/coercion.html. So I'll start to work on that text. Or perhaps it should be in the "Sage constructions" or in a "Thematic

[sage-devel] Re: Question about coercion

2011-06-08 Thread Simon King
On 8 Jun., 14:26, Simon King wrote: > Yes, why not? I guess it should be considered an extension > ofhttp://www.sagemath.org/doc/reference/coercion.html. So I'll start to > work on that text. Or perhaps it should be in the "Sage constructions" or in a "Thematic tutorial", rather than in the refe

[sage-devel] Re: Question about coercion

2011-06-08 Thread Simon King
Hi Jason, On 8 Jun., 14:04, Jason Grout wrote: > This is great stuff!  Have you considered contributing this to the docs? Thanks! Yes, why not? I guess it should be considered an extension of http://www.sagemath.org/doc/reference/coercion.html. So I'll start to work on that text. Cheers, Simon

[sage-devel] Re: Learch trascendent on Sage?

2011-06-08 Thread kcrisman
On Jun 7, 3:07 pm, Fredrik Johansson wrote: > On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 8:46 PM, kcrisman wrote: > > >> That would be nice, but I don't know how much you can do numerically > >> given a "black-box" sequence. > > > So you are saying one couldn't do anything even if one made an > > assumption about

[sage-devel] Re: Question about coercion

2011-06-08 Thread Jason Grout
On 6/8/11 3:38 AM, Simon King wrote: Hi Gonzalo, On 8 Jun., 07:04, Robert Bradshaw wrote: One caveat, though. The standard "Ring" and "Algebra" parents both inherit from the ParentWithBase. Am I allowed to mix an element class derived from AlgebraElements with a parent class derived from Parent

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Hyperelliptic curve point counting speed regression

2011-06-08 Thread John Cremona
My guess is that creating the points takes a lot of time since even though their coordinates have been computed, we still go through a generic procedure to check that these coordinates satisfy the equation of the curve, which involves setting up a lot polynomial rings, etc. The same used to happen

[sage-devel] Re: Hyperelliptic curve point counting speed regression

2011-06-08 Thread Simon King
Hi Jeroen, Using %prun, one finds with sage-4.6.2 ncalls tottime percall cumtime percall filename:lineno(function) 75041.4020.0002.0990.000 algebraic_scheme.py: 660(_check_satisfies_equations) 40.2770.0693.0960.774 rational_point.py: 237(enum_pro

[sage-devel] Re: Sage-4.7 VirtualBox image

2011-06-08 Thread RegB
I tried the .ova file with VirtualBox and it worked perfectly. I tried it with VMware Player and it refused to load. It is probably a likes/dis-likes personal preference thing, but I liked using just another tab in my already running browser on the host machine. n Jun 7, 4:54 pm, "Nicolas M. Thi

[sage-devel] Re: Question about coercion

2011-06-08 Thread Simon King
Hi Gonzalo, On 8 Jun., 07:04, Robert Bradshaw wrote: > > One caveat, though. The standard "Ring" and "Algebra" parents both > > inherit from the ParentWithBase. Am I allowed to mix an element class > > derived from AlgebraElements with a parent class derived from Parent? > > I can't say for sure

[sage-devel] Hyperelliptic curve point counting speed regression

2011-06-08 Thread Jeroen Demeyer
sage-4.6.2:: sage: P. = GF(3)[]; C = HyperellipticCurve(x^3+x^2+1) sage: time C.count_points(4) CPU times: user 3.11 s, sys: 0.01 s, total: 3.12 s Wall time: 3.14 s [6, 12, 18, 96] sage-4.7:: sage: P. = GF(3)[]; C = HyperellipticCurve(x^3+x^2+1) sage: time C.count_points(4) [6, 12, 18, 96] Time

[sage-devel] patchbot and recursive dependencies

2011-06-08 Thread Paul-Olivier Dehaye
Hi all I was looking at the patchbot for my patches, and looking at the results for ticket 11442, I was a bit puzzled. http://sage.math.washington.edu:21100/ticket/11442/ This happens because the bot picked up the dependency on #11440 (as instructed), but not the dependency on #11300, which comes