[sage-devel] Re: Solve-left for systems over CDF/RDF

2011-02-18 Thread Rob Beezer
On Feb 18, 9:02 am, Jason Grout wrote: > So I guess you're volunteering to fix #7852 and possibly #4932?  Hooray! Maybe. Thanks for #7852 - I didn't know that one. Might as well add #7392 (which I have started on). Rob -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Rapid growth in Python popularity

2011-02-18 Thread daly
> > > > As for the conjecture that Python is wildly popular and > > therefore the perfect choice for computational mathematics > > I can only point to history. Pascal was everywhere, including > > in the universities. Smalltalk took the world by storm. > > PL/I was universal. Ada was the ultimate

Re: [sage-devel] Patchbot and alpha versions

2011-02-18 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 6:28 AM, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > On 2011-02-18 14:57, Simon King wrote: >> I could imagine that it would not be feasible to let the patchbot >> operate with a multitude of different sage versions. But perhaps it >> would be doable to let it work with *two* versions: 1. the

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Rapid growth in Python popularity

2011-02-18 Thread David Kirkby
On 18 February 2011 05:11, rjf wrote: > > > On Feb 17, 4:49 pm, Matt Goodman wrote: >> MATLAB isn't a tool used outside of academia very often. > > I think you are wrong here.  I don't have any data to point to though. > Do you have any data on this? Matt is definitely VERY wrong. MATLAB is wel

Re: [sage-devel] Patchbot and ticket comments

2011-02-18 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 6:20 AM, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > On 2011-02-18 00:27, Robert Bradshaw wrote: >>> 2) The ticket description can be *edited*, comments not.  For example, >>> if some comments just mention a new spkg, then the patchbot will >>> automatically think it's a dependency, even when

[sage-devel] Re: Rapid growth in Python popularity

2011-02-18 Thread john_perry_usm
Hi On Feb 17, 6:49 pm, Matt Goodman wrote: > MATLAB isn't a tool used outside of academia very often. I am loathe to involve myself in this conversation, but: I'm aware that MATLAB is used by people at NASA, in the Navy, and at Raytheon. I seriously doubt that approaches even a tenth of MATLAB's

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Rapid growth in Python popularity

2011-02-18 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 10:26 AM, rjf wrote: > > > On Feb 18, 8:51 am, William Stein wrote: >> >> At University of Washington, even with a site license, MATLAB costs me >> $100, so I don't have it on my laptop. >> There are limited licenses for students, and I've been told they have >> trouble do

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Rapid growth in Python popularity

2011-02-18 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 12:12 PM, daly wrote: >> The python community is huge, skills are available, >> and often the needs are not in the core science algorithm >> which is well looked after, but in the glue and interface, >> which requires a less in-depth understanding of the science >> than the

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Rapid growth in Python popularity

2011-02-18 Thread Matt Goodman
You can back out pyc's pretty easy. See the "byteplay" package. :) --Matthew Goodman = Check Out My Website: http://craneium.net Find me on LinkedIn: http://tinyurl.com/d6wlch On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Eviatar wrote: > On Feb 18, 10:26 am, rjf wrote: > > On Feb 18

[sage-devel] Re: Rapid growth in Python popularity

2011-02-18 Thread Eviatar
On Feb 18, 10:26 am, rjf wrote: > On Feb 18, 8:51 am, William Stein wrote: > FUD? > It seems to me that if I were writing useful/important code that > paying > $100 would not be such a bad idea, though I agree that "free" would be > "better".  I would have reservations though if the university ga

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Rapid growth in Python popularity

2011-02-18 Thread daly
> The python community is huge, skills are available, > and often the needs are not in the core science algorithm > which is well looked after, but in the glue and interface, > which requires a less in-depth understanding of the science > than the core algorithm. It allows non-niche programmers to

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Rapid growth in Python popularity

2011-02-18 Thread Matt Goodman
Regarding the academics comment, check this out: http://www.google.com/trends?q=matlab%2C+python&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0 Matlab related dips notably (~50% peak to trough) during spring, winter, and summer breaks. All I really have to say about MATLAB is for a piece of software backed by mi

[sage-devel] Re: Rapid growth in Python popularity

2011-02-18 Thread rjf
On Feb 18, 8:51 am, William Stein wrote: > > At University of Washington, even with a site license, MATLAB costs me > $100, so I don't have it on my laptop. > There are limited licenses for students, and I've been told they have > trouble doing homework assignments, due to > sharing those licens

[sage-devel] Re: Series expansion.

2011-02-18 Thread achrzesz
Continuing my example: sage: maxima(f).powerseries('r',infinity) -4*r*'sum((2^(2*i3-1)-1)*2^(2*i3-1)*bern(2*i3)*r^(2*i3-1)/ (2*i3)!,i3,0,inf) (NOT CHECKED) A Ch -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+uns

Re: [sage-devel] Series expansion.

2011-02-18 Thread Francois Maltey
Dox ask : I'd like to know if there is a way of finding the series expansion of a given function around zero and infinity. Around 0 : sage: taylor (2*x/sinh(2*x), x, 0, 10) -292/13365*x^10 + 254/4725*x^8 - 124/945*x^6 + 14/45*x^4 - 2/3*x^2 + 1 I see that the serie is right, even if partial com

[sage-devel] Re: Series expansion.

2011-02-18 Thread achrzesz
sage: var('r'); sage: f=2*r/sinh(2*r) sage: f.taylor(r,0,5) 14/45*r^4 - 2/3*r^2 + 1 sage: maxima(f).powerseries('r',0) -4*r*'sum((2^(2*i2-1)-1)*2^(2*i2-1)*bern(2*i2)*r^(2*i2-1)/ (2*i2)!,i2,0,inf) Andrzej Chrzeszczyk -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubs

[sage-devel] Re: Rapid growth in Python popularity

2011-02-18 Thread rjf
On Feb 17, 11:06 pm, daly wrote: > An interesting article about computational science > programming:http://www.nature.com/news/2010/101013/full/467775a.html?ref=nf > > Tim Daly I find it especially interesting to see the comments about python ... search on that web page for each occurrence of

[sage-devel] Re: Solve-left for systems over CDF/RDF

2011-02-18 Thread Jason Grout
On 2/17/11 7:08 PM, Rob Beezer wrote: Or: "Do you know your left from your right?" Or: "Not for those with dyslexic tendencies" [Ed. e.g. me] sage: A = matrix(QQ,[[1,2],[3,4]]) sage: A.solve_left(vector(QQ,[1,1])) (-1/2, 1/2) sage: A.solve_right(vector(QQ,[1,1])) (-1, 1) sage: B = matrix(RDF,

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Rapid growth in Python popularity

2011-02-18 Thread William Stein
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 8:36 AM, rjf wrote: > Many people using Matlab are, I think, using it within some > organization > such as a college or an engineering lab.  The incremental cost for one > more Matlab user license is small and probably part of the overhead of > the organization, and so ther

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Rapid growth in Python popularity

2011-02-18 Thread Jan Groenewald
Hi Python's barrier-to-entry is the lowest of all the languages under discussion (in terms of time to learn it). It is easier to enforce good coding style because much of it is already integrated with the language... e.g. indented control structures & loops. Optimizing-python-with-calling-other

[sage-devel] Re: Rapid growth in Python popularity

2011-02-18 Thread rjf
On Feb 18, 7:31 am, William Stein wrote: > On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 9:11 PM, rjf wrote: > > > On Feb 17, 4:49 pm, Matt Goodman wrote: > >> MATLAB isn't a tool used outside of academia very often. > > > I think you are wrong here.  I don't have any data to point to though. > > Do you have any da

[sage-devel] Series expansion.

2011-02-18 Thread Dox
Hi everyone! I'd like to know if there is a way of finding the series expansion of a given function around zero and infinity, Is it possible? I tried with sympy.series, didn't work sage: reset() sage: from sympy import * sage: r = Symbol('r') sage: sympy.series(2*r/sinh(2*r), r) -- To post to

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Rapid growth in Python popularity

2011-02-18 Thread William Stein
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 9:11 PM, rjf wrote: > > > On Feb 17, 4:49 pm, Matt Goodman wrote: >> MATLAB isn't a tool used outside of academia very often. > > I think you are wrong here.  I don't have any data to point to though. > Do you have any data on this? No data versus no data. >>  Its licens

Re: [sage-devel] Patchbot and alpha versions

2011-02-18 Thread Volker Braun
+1 that would make much sense from a development perspective On Friday, February 18, 2011 2:28:31 PM UTC, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > > Why not *only* the latest alpha? That would make more sense to me. > > -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe fro

Re: [sage-devel] Patchbot and alpha versions

2011-02-18 Thread Jeroen Demeyer
On 2011-02-18 14:57, Simon King wrote: > I could imagine that it would not be feasible to let the patchbot > operate with a multitude of different sage versions. But perhaps it > would be doable to let it work with *two* versions: 1. the latest > release (default), 2. the latest alpha version. Why

Re: [sage-devel] Rational polynomials via FLINT (#4000)

2011-02-18 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 01/29/10 01:08 AM, Alex Ghitza wrote: On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:52:23 -0800 (PST), Sebastian Pancratz wrote: After reviving the work from last September/ October with some significant help of Mike Hansen at Sage Days 19 a week ago, we finally had a version of the patch that applied cleanly to

Re: [sage-devel] Patchbot and ticket comments

2011-02-18 Thread Jeroen Demeyer
On 2011-02-18 00:27, Robert Bradshaw wrote: >> 2) The ticket description can be *edited*, comments not. For example, >> if some comments just mention a new spkg, then the patchbot will >> automatically think it's a dependency, even when it's not. > > Again, I see this as a disadvantage, because t

[sage-devel] Patchbot and alpha versions

2011-02-18 Thread Simon King
Hi! It seems to me that the patchbot refuses quite a number of patches since apparently it tries to apply the patches to the latest release of Sage. But I, for one, often produce my patches on top of a recent alpha version of the forthcoming release. I could imagine that it would not be feasible

[sage-devel] Re: vtk

2011-02-18 Thread Volker Braun
There is an experimental spkg for vtk. But I think it needs some serious updating; last time I tired it, it did not compile on my machine. Though you might want to give it a try. sage: experimental_packages() ([], ['4ti2.p0', 'PyQt4-4.6.2', 'PyVTK-0.4.74', 'QScintilla2-2.4', 'asymptote-1.29', '

[sage-devel] vtk

2011-02-18 Thread Mag Gam
Has anyone compiled VTK, http://www.vtk.org/, into sage? I would like to compile this but would need some assistance and/or tips. -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For mo