Re: [sage-devel] post more

2011-01-28 Thread Ivan Andrus
> Hi Sage-Devel, > > Last year in January 2010, there were 1580 messages on sage-devel. > This year, in January 2011, there have so far been only 604 messages. > > What are people working on? > > Besides writing code on top of Sage for number theory related projects > (which goes into http://cod

[sage-devel] Re: post more

2011-01-28 Thread Simon King
Hi William, On 29 Jan., 06:31, William Stein wrote: > What are people working on? * Finite dimensional quotients of path algebras, with the eventual aim of computing Ext algebras of basic algebras; that will take a while. * Various implementations of free (not necessarily unital or associative)

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Free advertising on Stack Overflow

2011-01-28 Thread Ivan Andrus
I prefer number 3, but 2 is my second choice. -Ivan On Jan 29, 2011, at 6:35 AM, David Roe wrote: > I agree with William on "Eviatar 2": it's clear and concise. > David > > On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 00:25, William Stein wrote: > On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Harald Schilly > wrote: > > Here

[sage-devel] Re: post more

2011-01-28 Thread Rob Beezer
Totally refactoring the matrix kernel code in a condo at Whistler, Canada while my family skies during the day. Slippery boards and I don't get along. Only about 300 failing doctests left to chase down. Rob On Jan 28, 9:31 pm, William Stein wrote: > Hi Sage-Devel, > > Last year in January 2010

[sage-devel] Re: post more

2011-01-28 Thread Jason Grout
On 1/28/11 9:31 PM, William Stein wrote: Hi Sage-Devel, Last year in January 2010, there were 1580 messages on sage-devel. This year, in January 2011, there have so far been only 604 messages. What are people working on? Besides writing code on top of Sage for number theory related projects (w

Re: [sage-devel] post more

2011-01-28 Thread Minh Nguyen
Hi William, On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 4:31 PM, William Stein wrote: > If every person reading responded with a paragraph about what they've > been up to related to sage this month, then maybe we could get to 1000 > messages by the end of the month! I've been documenting some graph algorithms used

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Free advertising on Stack Overflow

2011-01-28 Thread David Roe
I agree with William on "Eviatar 2": it's clear and concise. David On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 00:25, William Stein wrote: > On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Harald Schilly > wrote: > > Here is my idea, svg sources are in the same dir. > > > http://boxen.math.washington.edu/home/schilly/marketing/

[sage-devel] post more

2011-01-28 Thread William Stein
Hi Sage-Devel, Last year in January 2010, there were 1580 messages on sage-devel. This year, in January 2011, there have so far been only 604 messages. What are people working on? Besides writing code on top of Sage for number theory related projects (which goes into http://code.google.com/p/pur

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Free advertising on Stack Overflow

2011-01-28 Thread William Stein
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Harald Schilly wrote: > Here is my idea, svg sources are in the same dir. > http://boxen.math.washington.edu/home/schilly/marketing/stackoverflow/stackoverflow-sage-schilly-01.png > Wow, we should use that somehow. (A t-shirt? Sticker? Illustration for the dev

[sage-devel] Re: Free advertising on Stack Overflow

2011-01-28 Thread Eviatar
I made a very basic landing page: http://wiki.sagemath.org/StackOverflowLanding -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.goo

Re: [sage-devel] Re: FAQ suggestion: I'm a programmer, how can I contribute to Sage?

2011-01-28 Thread Tom Boothby
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 4:39 PM, rjf wrote: > I think you really don't benefit by recruiting people who have, uh, > time on their hands and not much else. In fact, extra enthusiasm in > such individuals can be a real management problem. While this is true, we aren't offering anything. We don't (

[sage-devel] Re: FAQ suggestion: I'm a programmer, how can I contribute to Sage?

2011-01-28 Thread Eviatar
If they are unskilled, this will show in their work, and most of the time they won't finish it. If they do a mediocre job, this will be seen in the code, and not accepted. What is the problem, then, exactly? -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe f

[sage-devel] Re: bug in QQ[x]

2011-01-28 Thread Nils Bruin
On Jan 28, 4:16 pm, Robert Miller wrote: > I don't have time to track this down at the moment, but as it is a bit > embarrassing I thought I'd report it here for now: > > sage: R. = QQ[] > sage: E = EllipticCurve([0,0,0,-595*d^2,5586*d^3]) > sage: E.discriminant().factor() > (1404928) * d^6 What

[sage-devel] Re: FAQ suggestion: I'm a programmer, how can I contribute to Sage?

2011-01-28 Thread rjf
On Jan 28, 5:02 am, Niles wrote: > On Jan 28, 5:06 am, koffie wrote: > > > A real programmer could also help with spreading his knowledge of good > > coding practices and software design patterns in the sage community. > > yes -- another one of my suggested ways a programmer could contribute >

[sage-devel] bug in QQ[x]

2011-01-28 Thread Robert Miller
I don't have time to track this down at the moment, but as it is a bit embarrassing I thought I'd report it here for now: sage: R. = QQ[] sage: E = EllipticCurve([0,0,0,-595*d^2,5586*d^3]) sage: E.discriminant().factor() (1404928) * d^6 sage: 2^12*7^3 1404928 -- Robert L. Miller http://www.rlm

[sage-devel] build error for sage 4.6.1 on OS X 10.5.8

2011-01-28 Thread Jon Yard
Hello, I am having trouble building sage 4.6.1 on an iMac8,1 (2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo) running OS X 10.5.8. Below is the last relevant output from the compilation. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Jon gcc -std=gnu99 -dynamiclib -Wl,-headerpad_max_install_names -undefined dynamic_lookup

[sage-devel] Re: Free advertising on Stack Overflow

2011-01-28 Thread Eviatar
You're right. Let's decide on one and get it published quickly! Thanks for making the page, it gives some perspective. I don't know about the "how to contribute" page. It does give a lot of information about contributing, but doesn't talk much about Sage. I think anyone wanting to contribute would

Re: [sage-devel] toying with various upgrades (numpy,ecl,maxima,gfan,mpfi)

2011-01-28 Thread François Bissey
Hi Paulo, > 2011/1/27 François Bissey : > > Hi all, > > I am delaying a Mandriva sagemath 4.6.1 due to related reasons, > and may not release it if sagemath 4.6.2 is released soon :-). Since > Mandriva cooker is using python 2.7.1 and cython 0.14, I needed to > use a custom cython 0.13, but am

[sage-devel] Re: Free advertising on Stack Overflow

2011-01-28 Thread Emil Widmann
> I fear this thread is going nowhere. Let's publish one and start with > the > wiki etc. For development this was published > recentlyhttp://www.liafa.jussieu.fr/~labbe/Sage/how-to-contribute/ I am sorry for "this thread is going no where", I obviously killed it, which is a shame. What I wanted

Re: [sage-devel] toying with various upgrades (numpy,ecl,maxima,gfan,mpfi)

2011-01-28 Thread Paulo César Pereira de Andrade
2011/1/27 François Bissey : > Hi all, I am delaying a Mandriva sagemath 4.6.1 due to related reasons, and may not release it if sagemath 4.6.2 is released soon :-). Since Mandriva cooker is using python 2.7.1 and cython 0.14, I needed to use a custom cython 0.13, but am trying to correct some is

[sage-devel] Re: rjf

2011-01-28 Thread kcrisman
On Jan 28, 6:18 am, "Nicolas M. Thiery" wrote: > On Sun, Jan 02, 2011 at 10:14:49PM +, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: > > Sometimes Richard can be helpful, and obviously knows quite a bit > > about mathematical software. But for reasons known only to Richard, > > he devotes a large proportion of hi

[sage-devel] Re: Where should cached_method put its cache?

2011-01-28 Thread Simon King
On 28 Jan., 13:27, Simon King wrote: > Hi Robert, > > On 28 Jan., 11:14, Robert Bradshaw > wrote: > > > Yep. It's sad when sometimes it's quicker to not cache non-trivial > > computations. > > Indeed it was. Here is an example from the ticket: > ... > Hence, due to the optimisation of accessing t

[sage-devel] Re: FAQ suggestion: I'm a programmer, how can I contribute to Sage?

2011-01-28 Thread Niles
On Jan 28, 5:06 am, koffie wrote: > A real programmer could also help with spreading his knowledge of good > coding practices and software design patterns in the sage community. yes -- another one of my suggested ways a programmer could contribute was going to be something like "check for naive

[sage-devel] Re: Where should cached_method put its cache?

2011-01-28 Thread Simon King
Hi Robert, On 28 Jan., 11:14, Robert Bradshaw wrote: > Yep. It's sad when sometimes it's quicker to not cache non-trivial > computations. Indeed it was. Here is an example from the ticket: Setting: sage: class A: : @cached_method : def bar(self,x): : return x :

[sage-devel] Re: Where should cached_method put its cache?

2011-01-28 Thread Simon King
Hi Nicolas, On 28 Jan., 11:02, "Nicolas M. Thiery" wrote: > There are several reasons to cache the results in x rather than in the > method foo: > > (a) You don't need to calculate the hash of x to retrieve something >     from the cache; that can be important for large objects (with a >     cost

[sage-devel] Re: Where should cached_method put its cache?

2011-01-28 Thread Simon King
Hi Nicolas! On 28 Jan., 11:41, "Nicolas M. Thiery" wrote: > Oh wow, I had completely missed all the activity on #8611! Yes, indeed I think that most (all?) issues that are mentioned in this thread are actually solved in #8611. > Out of curiosity: does #8611 keep backward compatibility for the c

[sage-devel] rjf

2011-01-28 Thread Nicolas M. Thiery
On Sun, Jan 02, 2011 at 10:14:49PM +, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: > Sometimes Richard can be helpful, and obviously knows quite a bit > about mathematical software. But for reasons known only to Richard, > he devotes a large proportion of his time being negative, unhelpful > and generally obnoxious

Re: [sage-devel] Where should cached_method put its cache?

2011-01-28 Thread Nicolas M. Thiery
Dear Simon, Oh wow, I had completely missed all the activity on #8611! This issue had been such an itch since at least one year if not two. Congrats for getting this done, and so nicely! Thanks to the reviewers as well. I can't wait for 4.6.2 now! You are my hero of the day :-) Cheers,

Re: [sage-devel] Where should cached_method put its cache?

2011-01-28 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 2:02 AM, Nicolas M. Thiery wrote: >        Hi Simon! > > Sorry for my late answer; I missed this e-mail in the sage-devel flow ... > > On Fri, Jan 07, 2011 at 10:58:49AM -0800, Simon King wrote: >> IMHO, the cached_... decorators are currently too slow.  It seems to >> me t

[sage-devel] Re: FAQ suggestion: I'm a programmer, how can I contribute to Sage?

2011-01-28 Thread koffie
A real programmer could also help with spreading his knowledge of good coding practices and software design patterns in the sage community. By reading this mailing list I sometimes get the feeling we have enough smart mathematicians, but not enough battle field tested diehard programmers. On Jan 2

Re: [sage-devel] Where should cached_method put its cache?

2011-01-28 Thread Nicolas M. Thiery
Hi Simon! Sorry for my late answer; I missed this e-mail in the sage-devel flow ... On Fri, Jan 07, 2011 at 10:58:49AM -0800, Simon King wrote: > IMHO, the cached_... decorators are currently too slow. It seems to > me that too much time is spent for looking up the cache (calling the > m

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Immutable digraphs

2011-01-28 Thread Nicolas M. Thiery
Hi Simon! On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 09:17:09AM -0800, Simon King wrote: > Anyway. My aim is to implement finite-dimensional quotients of path > algebras as part of a project to compute modular cohomology rings of > basic algebras. Cool! That's a feature we will have a use for :-) See also

[sage-devel] Patchbot and ticket comments

2011-01-28 Thread Jeroen Demeyer
Hello, Let me propose that the patchbot would *only* look at the ticket description and not comments to check for spkgs, patches, dependencies and so on. I can see two major advantages: 1) People will be forced to write such information in the ticket description where humans can also easily find