[sage-devel] make style of documentation consistent with sagemath.org

2010-11-02 Thread Minh Nguyen
Hi folks, This subject has been raised before, but I want to revive it in case anyone wants update on the issue. Ticket #9850 [1] has three patches that aims to make the visual style of the Sage standard documentation consistent with the theme used by the Sage website. So far, the patches have re

[sage-devel] Re: Using valgrind to find segfaults

2010-11-02 Thread leif
On 3 Nov., 06:29, Bill Hart wrote: > [...] > Firstly, thank you to all the people who took the time to work on > putting the new MPIR and Pari into Sage. > > (By the way, I don't understand why MPIR has been updated to 2.1.2 and > not 2.1.3 which fixes a serious bug in the mpf functions. Nor do I

[sage-devel] Re: Cellular Automata Tools

2010-11-02 Thread Hypercube
That sounds amazing. Assuming enough people submitted often enough, it would be the best screensaver ever. If there were enough users for it to be real-time it would be even cooler. On Nov 2, 5:43 pm, Jason Grout wrote: > On 11/2/10 7:22 PM, William Stein wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov

[sage-devel] Re: Cellular Automata Tools

2010-11-02 Thread Hypercube
Yes, they are very cool to look at. My favourite is Rule 90. On Nov 2, 5:22 pm, William Stein wrote: > On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Hypercube wrote: > > Some examples of CA usage: > > > -cryptography,http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?arnumber=338094 > > -pseudo-random number > >

[sage-devel] Using valgrind to find segfaults

2010-11-02 Thread Bill Hart
Hi all, I've been down with the flu for a few days and so amusing myself in ways that don't make my head hurt too much. So, for fun, I just read through the *very* long trac ticket for getting the new Pari into Sage. Firstly, thank you to all the people who took the time to work on putting the ne

[sage-devel] Re: Version numbers of sage_scripts, extcode, examples, sagenb

2010-11-02 Thread leif
On 3 Nov., 05:35, leif wrote: > On 2 Nov., 21:55, François Bissey wrote: > > > > > > This is a topic which I already touched in the "Merging tickets into > > > sagenb" thread, but I believe the discussion was not finished. > > > > Currently, every new Sage version has a new version of the followi

Re: [sage-devel] Should Sage have a list of priorities, based on its mission statement?

2010-11-02 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 5:04 AM, David Kirkby wrote: > If Sage were a commercial software product, a set of priorities would > be set, and people told to work on those things that are most > important. If people did not agree to work on them, they would > probably lose their job. > > Clearly in an

[sage-devel] Re: Version numbers of sage_scripts, extcode, examples, sagenb

2010-11-02 Thread leif
On 2 Nov., 21:55, François Bissey wrote: > > This is a topic which I already touched in the "Merging tickets into > > sagenb" thread, but I believe the discussion was not finished. > > > Currently, every new Sage version has a new version of the following > > spkgs: sage, sage_scripts, extcode, ex

[sage-devel] why are there two copies of the Sage library in devel/sage/build?

2010-11-02 Thread Dan Drake
Refereeing #9967 has turned into implementing some of its key features, and I need to know more about how the Sage library is built by SAGE_ROOT/devel/sage/setup.py. I know that it creates a symlink from SAGE_ROOT/local/lib/python/site-packages to a build directory. What I eventually want is for t

Re: [sage-devel] virtual machines on boxen.math

2010-11-02 Thread Geoff Ehrman
Hi, I'd be happy to help configure a pair of images. I have the most experience with Ubuntu and CentOS (though it's been a couple years with CentOS), wouldn't have a problem getting any of them up and running. Cheers, Geoff Ehrman Grad Student, Dept. of Mathematics University of New Hampshire htt

[sage-devel] virtual machines on boxen.math

2010-11-02 Thread William Stein
Hi, I have a new faster laptop with a lot more RAM (8GB, woot), so it's suddenly become much easier for me to install Linux into VirtualBox's in my spare time in the background. So I'm going to be adding VirtualBox images to boxen for the following OS's: CentOS-5.5-i386 CentOS-5.5-x86_64 Fedora

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Blog Post: "How to referee Sage Trac tickets"

2010-11-02 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 1:03 AM, Johan S. R. Nielsen wrote: > Very nice. Will this be put somewhere persistent where new Sage > developers can be expected to find it? E.g. as a supplement to the > Developer's Guide. I encourage somebody to add it! Here's the raw html, if that is helpful: htt

[sage-devel] Re: Cellular Automata Tools

2010-11-02 Thread Jason Grout
On 11/2/10 7:22 PM, William Stein wrote: On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Hypercube wrote: Some examples of CA usage: -cryptography, http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?arnumber=338094 -pseudo-random number generators, http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?arnumber=31545 -m

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Cellular Automata Tools

2010-11-02 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Hypercube wrote: > Some examples of CA usage: > > -cryptography, http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?arnumber=338094 > -pseudo-random number generators, > http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?arnumber=31545 > -modelling of certain chemical reac

[sage-devel] Re: Cellular Automata Tools

2010-11-02 Thread Hypercube
Some examples of CA usage: -cryptography, http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?arnumber=338094 -pseudo-random number generators, http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?arnumber=31545 -modelling of certain chemical reactions, http://search.ieice.org/bin/summary.php?id=e85-a_9_20

[sage-devel] Re: Cellular Automata Tools

2010-11-02 Thread rjf
On Nov 2, 4:07 am, David Kirkby wrote: > > It would be rather embarrising for Steven Wolfram if Sage could do the > stuff in Mathematica 1000x faster. Not really. In this regard he would show ease of programming and neatness of display, not speed. > > > Their importance in Mathematica per se

Re: [sage-devel] Version numbers of sage_scripts, extcode, examples, sagenb

2010-11-02 Thread François Bissey
> This is a topic which I already touched in the "Merging tickets into > sagenb" thread, but I believe the discussion was not finished. > > Currently, every new Sage version has a new version of the following > spkgs: sage, sage_scripts, extcode, examples. However, it is likely > that not all tho

Re: [sage-devel] How does the Symbolic Ring work (in particular: new_Expression_from_GEx)

2010-11-02 Thread Mike Hansen
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 12:15 PM, koffie wrote: > return new_Expression_from_GEx(self._parent, >    g_hold2_wrapper(g_power_construct, self._gobj, g_ex1_2, hold)) > > Can someone help with this? It returns a new Expression (sage.symbolic.expression.Expression) object that corresponds to a GiNaC/Py

Re: [sage-devel] Trac: no space left on device

2010-11-02 Thread David Kirkby
On 2 November 2010 17:35, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > On 2010-11-02 16:44, Willem Jan Palenstijn wrote: >> At a guess I'd say /sagenb is causing this? At least a 'find | wc -l' there >> took longer to complete than I cared to keep it running... > 3667802 > > real    25m9.316s > user    0m10.780s > sys

[sage-devel] How does the Symbolic Ring work (in particular: new_Expression_from_GEx)

2010-11-02 Thread koffie
Hej All, I was trying to do some work on: http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/9129 The problem seems to be in the .sqrt functiontion for symbolic ring elements. The source code is: return new_Expression_from_GEx(self._parent, g_hold2_wrapper(g_power_construct, self._gobj, g_ex1_2, hold

Re: [sage-devel] Trac: no space left on device

2010-11-02 Thread Geoff Ehrman
There are definitely tools to do this sort of automated checking, but if you're only concerned with inode usage then a simple shell script run as a periodic cronjob is the most straightforward solution imho. On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 1:20 PM, David Kirkby wrote: > On 2 November 2010 15:52, Jeroen De

Re: [sage-devel] Trac: no space left on device

2010-11-02 Thread Jeroen Demeyer
On 2010-11-02 16:44, Willem Jan Palenstijn wrote: > At a guess I'd say /sagenb is causing this? At least a 'find | wc -l' there > took longer to complete than I cared to keep it running... 3667802 real25m9.316s user0m10.780s sys 1m41.000s That's 3.6 million files in /sagenb -- To po

Re: [sage-devel] Trac: no space left on device

2010-11-02 Thread David Kirkby
On 2 November 2010 15:52, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > On 2010-11-02 16:44, Willem Jan Palenstijn wrote: >> At a guess I'd say /sagenb is causing this? At least a 'find | wc -l' there >> took longer to complete than I cared to keep it running... > > Could this also explain the recent slowness of http:/

Re: [sage-devel] Trac: no space left on device

2010-11-02 Thread Jeroen Demeyer
On 2010-11-02 16:44, Willem Jan Palenstijn wrote: > At a guess I'd say /sagenb is causing this? At least a 'find | wc -l' there > took longer to complete than I cared to keep it running... Could this also explain the recent slowness of http://www.sagenb.org/ ? -- To post to this group, send an e

Re: [sage-devel] Trac: no space left on device

2010-11-02 Thread Willem Jan Palenstijn
On Tue, Nov 02, 2010 at 04:24:41PM +0100, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > On 2010-11-02 16:18, Willem Jan Palenstijn wrote: > > Possible options I can think of: > > > > * the filesystem could be out of inodes rather than out of space. (Use 'df > > -i') > > That's the issue, on boxen: > $ df -i > Filesys

Re: [sage-devel] Trac: no space left on device

2010-11-02 Thread Jeroen Demeyer
On 2010-11-02 16:18, Willem Jan Palenstijn wrote: > Possible options I can think of: > > * the filesystem could be out of inodes rather than out of space. (Use 'df > -i') That's the issue, on boxen: $ df -i FilesystemInodes IUsed IFree IUse% Mounted on /dev/sda1448102

Re: [sage-devel] Trac: no space left on device

2010-11-02 Thread Willem Jan Palenstijn
On Tue, Nov 02, 2010 at 07:42:51AM -0700, William Stein wrote: > On Tuesday, November 2, 2010, David Kirkby wrote: > > On 2 November 2010 00:10, William Stein wrote: > >> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Jeroen Demeyer > >> wrote: > >>> Hi, I just got the following error on Trac: > >>> > >>> Oop

Re: [sage-devel] Trac: no space left on device

2010-11-02 Thread William Stein
On Tuesday, November 2, 2010, David Kirkby wrote: > On 2 November 2010 00:10, William Stein wrote: >> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Jeroen Demeyer >> wrote: >>> Hi, I just got the following error on Trac: >>> >>> Oops… >>> Trac detected an internal error: >>> >>> OSError: [Errno 28] No space

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Cellular Automata Tools

2010-11-02 Thread David Kirkby
On 2 November 2010 12:49, Jason Grout wrote: > On 11/2/10 6:07 AM, David Kirkby wrote: >> >> If Sage is ever to become a viable alternative to Mathematica, then it >> really needs the features of that program. > > > I think early on, there was a distinction made between focusing on having > parity

[sage-devel] Re: Cellular Automata Tools

2010-11-02 Thread Jason Grout
On 11/2/10 6:07 AM, David Kirkby wrote: If Sage is ever to become a viable alternative to Mathematica, then it really needs the features of that program. I think early on, there was a distinction made between focusing on having parity of features with other programs and having the features u

[sage-devel] Should Sage have a list of priorities, based on its mission statement?

2010-11-02 Thread David Kirkby
If Sage were a commercial software product, a set of priorities would be set, and people told to work on those things that are most important. If people did not agree to work on them, they would probably lose their job. Clearly in an open-source project like Sage, any attempt to tell people what t

[sage-devel] Version numbers of sage_scripts, extcode, examples, sagenb

2010-11-02 Thread Jeroen Demeyer
This is a topic which I already touched in the "Merging tickets into sagenb" thread, but I believe the discussion was not finished. Currently, every new Sage version has a new version of the following spkgs: sage, sage_scripts, extcode, examples. However, it is likely that not all those spkgs cha

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Cellular Automata Tools

2010-11-02 Thread David Kirkby
On 2 November 2010 02:17, rjf wrote: > Cellular automata of the sort that Wolfram talks about can be > implemented > in languages other than Mathematica much more efficiently.  Maybe > 10,000 > times faster when I wrote some stuff in lisp.  Not for doing anything > useful, > just a speed competiti

[sage-devel] 3 documentation tickets suitable for beginning contributors

2010-11-02 Thread Minh Nguyen
Hi folks, The following are three documentation tickets needing review: * #10143 Bring 2D plotting up to 100% doctest coverage (except plot.py) http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/10143 * #9655 Add an example plotting spherical harmonics to spherical_plot3d's docstring http://trac.sagemath

Re: [sage-devel] Trac: no space left on device

2010-11-02 Thread David Kirkby
On 2 November 2010 00:10, William Stein wrote: > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: >> Hi, I just got the following error on Trac: >> >> Oops… >> Trac detected an internal error: >> >> OSError: [Errno 28] No space left on device: >> '/var/trac/sage_trac/attachments/ticket/7513'

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Blog Post: "How to referee Sage Trac tickets"

2010-11-02 Thread Minh Nguyen
Hi Johan, On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Johan S. R. Nielsen wrote: > Very nice. Will this be put somewhere persistent where new Sage > developers can be expected to find it? E.g. as a supplement to the > Developer's Guide. Excellent idea. If you open a ticket and upload a patch, I promise to r

[sage-devel] Re: Blog Post: "How to referee Sage Trac tickets"

2010-11-02 Thread Johan S. R. Nielsen
Very nice. Will this be put somewhere persistent where new Sage developers can be expected to find it? E.g. as a supplement to the Developer's Guide. I have one comment: In the current version, sage.misc.misc.deprecation has some steep limitations. Trac #9919 (along with #9907) fixes it so it can