[sage-devel] Re: Random banter about Sage standards

2010-08-30 Thread Rob Beezer
On Aug 29, 5:41 pm, Bill Hart wrote: > Why attack Sage. It is what it is. Why defend it. It certainly didn't/ > doesn't get everything right. One thing is for sure. Whatever is wrong > with Sage, it is almost certainly too late to fix it. Whatever is > right with Sage certainly made it popular. "

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Random banter about Sage standards

2010-08-30 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 6:37 PM, Bill Hart wrote: > > > On Aug 30, 8:51 pm, Robert Bradshaw > wrote: >> On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 1:56 AM, Tim Daly wrote: >> > tl;dr old curmudgeon flaming on about the dead past, not "getting it" about >> > Sage. >> >> > Robert Bradshaw wrote: >> >> >> In terms of

[sage-devel] Re: Random banter about Sage standards

2010-08-30 Thread rjf
The idea that Sage persons should re-implement something in Python or Cython is based on a notion that there is a problem with existing and (apparently) working code, because it is written in an (allegedly) unsuitable implementation language. Furthermore, this notion also extends to a claim that

[sage-devel] Re: Random banter about Sage standards

2010-08-30 Thread Bill Hart
On Aug 30, 8:51 pm, Robert Bradshaw wrote: > On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 1:56 AM, Tim Daly wrote: > > tl;dr old curmudgeon flaming on about the dead past, not "getting it" about > > Sage. > > > Robert Bradshaw wrote: > > >> In terms of the general rant, there are two points I'd like to make. > >> T

[sage-devel] Re: Random banter about Sage standards

2010-08-30 Thread Bill Hart
I think/suspect Sage is more popular than Maxima if you go by all time download statistics. I don't think it is as popular as Maple or Mathematica yet. I think the claim was that it is becoming the M$ of mathematical software. I suspect that means "default standard" or something. Actually, I didn

[sage-devel] Re: Random banter about Sage standards

2010-08-30 Thread rjf
I read this thread with some interest. I'm not sure anything new is being said; just different people saying it. Well, not all different. I am curious as to the claim that Sage is very popular. Compared to? Maxima for Windows has seen something like 285,000 downloads. But that includes peopl

[sage-devel] Sage trac account names mapped to real names

2010-08-30 Thread Mitesh Patel
If you're a Sage user-developer who has a Sage trac account, could you check, update, and/or add your entry to http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/wiki/WikiStart#AccountNamesmappedtoRealNames ? If you don't have an account, but you're thinking about contributing to Sage, please sign up at http:

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Random banter about Sage standards

2010-08-30 Thread Tim Daly
How do you expect Wolfram Research, Maplesoft and similar deal with such issues? They must hit them too. I suspect they have a few nightmares with this, but the best way is probably to have decent documentation. If code is well commented, and has references to papers where the algorithms are pub

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Random banter about Sage standards

2010-08-30 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 3:47 AM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: > On 08/29/10 07:07 AM, Robert Bradshaw wrote: >> >> On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Dr. David Kirkby > > Of course it could be a hardware error, but if so it was not logged as such. > But I've only seen that error once, and can't reproduc

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Random banter about Sage standards

2010-08-30 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: > On 08/29/10 09:56 AM, Tim Daly wrote: >> >> tl;dr old curmudgeon flaming on about the dead past, not "getting it" >> about Sage. >> >> Robert Bradshaw wrote: >>> >>> >>> In terms of the general rant, there are two points I'd like to make.

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Random banter about Sage standards

2010-08-30 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 1:56 AM, Tim Daly wrote: > tl;dr old curmudgeon flaming on about the dead past, not "getting it" about > Sage. > > Robert Bradshaw wrote: >> >> >> In terms of the general rant, there are two points I'd like to make. >> The first is that there's a distinction between the Sag

Re: [sage-devel] Re: test suites for Sage

2010-08-30 Thread Tim Daly
Nicolas, This is similar to the CATS pamphlet files. They use noweb format but they could use the \begin...\end latex environment. I plan to make that change anyway. If we look at one of the files, e.g. http://axiom-developer.org/axiom-website/CATS/schaum1.input.pamphlet it is a sequence of bloc

Re: [sage-devel] Re: test suites for Sage

2010-08-30 Thread Nicolas M. Thiery
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 03:33:23PM +1000, Minh Nguyen wrote: > A few months ago I experimented with writing test cases in LaTeX as > part of a detailed discussion of underlying relevant theory. So for > example you want to write some test cases for graph theory. You start > by writing a short docum

[sage-devel] Re: Arithmetic subgroups (comparison and method names)

2010-08-30 Thread Vincent D
Tanks for answers! > > > I'm working on arithmetic subgroup in sage.modular.arithgroup > > > especially on arithgroup_perm, and I do not know what does the method > > > __cmp__ must do (it is not specified in sage.groups.group.Group where > > > I guess it is the right place): > > >    * equality a

[sage-devel] Re: Arithmetic subgroups (comparison and method names)

2010-08-30 Thread daveloeffler
On 29 Aug, 22:58, Alex Ghitza wrote: > Hi, > > On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 10:02:05 -0700 (PDT), Vincent D > <20100.delecr...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I'm working on arithmetic subgroup in sage.modular.arithgroup > > especially on arithgroup_perm, and I do not know what does the method > > __cmp__ must do

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Random banter about Sage standards

2010-08-30 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 08/30/10 03:09 AM, Tim Daly wrote: Bill Hart wrote: Why is this entire thread not on sage-flame? What does software engineering, documentation, test code, etc. have to do with "Creating a viable free open source alternative to Magma, Maple, Mathematica and Matlab."? Despite what appears to