Re: [sage-devel] Re: doctest failures in 4.3.4 in free_module.py;

2010-04-01 Thread Dan Drake
I've discovered a bit more about this issue. The Singular spkgs in 4.3.3 and 4.3.4 are exactly the same, so it can't be that. There were no changes to free_module.py between 4.3.3 and 4.3.4. I used Mercurial's bisect command to track down the offending patch. I tried several times, and it always s

Re: [sage-devel] Fwd: Sage releases

2010-04-01 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Apr 1, 2010, at 8:55 PM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: Robert Bradshaw wrote: I believe this is very relevant to the discussion that's taking place on sage-devel. Thank you Robert. Forwarding that was very useful. Begin forwarded message: From: William Stein Date: March 21, 2010 11:09:31 AM

Re: [sage-devel] Fwd: Sage releases

2010-04-01 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Robert Bradshaw wrote: I believe this is very relevant to the discussion that's taking place on sage-devel. Thank you Robert. Forwarding that was very useful. Begin forwarded message: From: William Stein Date: March 21, 2010 11:09:31 AM PDT To: sage-release Subject: [sage-release] Sage re

[sage-devel] "abstract" matrices

2010-04-01 Thread Ross Kyprianou
Hi Id like to write a package that can do "pure"/"abstract" matrix expressions such as in the following examples To keep things simple, in the examples below, let A, B, C... be matrices; k be a scalar "*" be matrix or scalar multiplication, "^-1" and "^T" and "^n" be matrix inverse, transpose and

[sage-devel] Fwd: Sage releases

2010-04-01 Thread Robert Bradshaw
I believe this is very relevant to the discussion that's taking place on sage-devel. Begin forwarded message: From: William Stein Date: March 21, 2010 11:09:31 AM PDT To: sage-release Subject: [sage-release] Sage releases Reply-To: sage-rele...@googlegroups.com Hi, The last release (sage-

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Can a 4.3.5 be created to fix the Fedora/Mandriva/OpenSUSE build problem?

2010-04-01 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Apr 1, 2010, at 3:41 PM, Peter Jeremy wrote: On 2010-Apr-01 08:37:12 +0100, David Kirkby wrote: What do others feel about these two cenaros 1) Have official support for a large number of Linux distributions, even though there are not the resources to test on them. 2) Have a smaller numbe

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Can a 4.3.5 be created to fix the Fedora/Mandriva/OpenSUSE build problem?

2010-04-01 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 2010-Apr-01 08:37:12 +0100, David Kirkby wrote: >What do others feel about these two cenaros > >1) Have official support for a large number of Linux distributions, >even though there are not the resources to test on them. > >2) Have a smaller number of officially supported distributions on >whi

[sage-devel] Re: MPIR and GMP: an announcement

2010-04-01 Thread Jaap Spies
John Cremona wrote: On 1 April 2010 17:21, Jaap Spies wrote: Tom Boothby wrote: On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Francesco Biscani wrote: Erm, April 1st? An Australian, playing a prank? I shouldn't think they'd know how. They're such a serious bunch. I've hardly even seen Bill crack a

[sage-devel] Re: MPIR and GMP: an announcement

2010-04-01 Thread Robert Dodier
On Apr 1, 10:21 am, Jaap Spies wrote: > You clearly didn't met him at dinner with a glass of good Australian wine. "Alt Smakey 1968" has been compared favourably to a Welsh claret, whilst the Australian wino society thouroughly recommend a 1970 "Cote du Rod Laver", which, believe me, has a kick

Re: [sage-devel] Re: MPIR and GMP: an announcement

2010-04-01 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Francesco Biscani wrote: I'm having a hard time understanding whether this thread is flooding with sarcasm or is completely devoid of it. ;) Francesco. I believe this is an April fools joke, which I fell for. The link at the bottom of the message http://tinyurl.com/y9dky9z points to a sit

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Can a 4.3.5 be created to fix the Fedora/Mandriva/OpenSUSE build problem?

2010-04-01 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Florent Hivert wrote: Hi There, It sounds like David's definition is that every release of Sage is tested on Suse before release by at least compiling it and running all doctests without errors (David, correct me if I'm misinterpreting your views!). How does your definition differ, if

[sage-devel] Re: Can a 4.3.5 be created to fix the Fedora/Mandriva/OpenSUSE build problem?

2010-04-01 Thread Jason Grout
On 04/01/2010 10:56 AM, Florent Hivert wrote: I there ! I don't know why among all the other distributions openSuSE is driving so much attention I just picked something at random. No offense or other interpretation intended. Thanks, Jason -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-d

Re: [sage-devel] Re: MPIR and GMP: an announcement

2010-04-01 Thread Francesco Biscani
I'm having a hard time understanding whether this thread is flooding with sarcasm or is completely devoid of it. ;) Francesco. On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Jaap Spies wrote: > Tom Boothby wrote: >> >> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Francesco Biscani >>  wrote: >>> >>> Erm, April 1st? >> >>

Re: [sage-devel] Re: MPIR and GMP: an announcement

2010-04-01 Thread John Cremona
On 1 April 2010 17:21, Jaap Spies wrote: > Tom Boothby wrote: >> >> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Francesco Biscani >>  wrote: >>> >>> Erm, April 1st? >> >> An Australian, playing a prank?  I shouldn't think they'd know how. >> They're such a serious bunch.  I've hardly even seen Bill crack a >>

[sage-devel] Re: MPIR and GMP: an announcement

2010-04-01 Thread Jaap Spies
Tom Boothby wrote: On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Francesco Biscani wrote: Erm, April 1st? An Australian, playing a prank? I shouldn't think they'd know how. They're such a serious bunch. I've hardly even seen Bill crack a smile, let alone laugh! You clearly didn't met him at dinner wit

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Can a 4.3.5 be created to fix the Fedora/Mandriva/OpenSUSE build problem?

2010-04-01 Thread Florent Hivert
Hi There, >> It sounds like David's definition is that every release of Sage is tested >> on Suse before release by at least compiling it and running all doctests >> without errors (David, correct me if I'm misinterpreting your views!). >> How does your definition differ, if it does? > >

Re: [sage-devel] MPIR and GMP: an announcement

2010-04-01 Thread Tom Boothby
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Francesco Biscani wrote: > Erm, April 1st? An Australian, playing a prank? I shouldn't think they'd know how. They're such a serious bunch. I've hardly even seen Bill crack a smile, let alone laugh! Besides, if this was April 1st, I'd have read about it on Slash

Re: [sage-devel] MPIR and GMP: an announcement

2010-04-01 Thread Francesco Biscani
Erm, April 1st? Francesco. On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 4:48 PM, Robert Miller wrote: > MPIR Team wrote: >>> We'd like the community to comment on this proposal. An announcement >>> of our first v3+ version of MPIR will be forthcoming in a few days. > > David Kirkby wrote: >> This stikes me as admitt

Re: [sage-devel] MPIR and GMP: an announcement

2010-04-01 Thread Robert Miller
MPIR Team wrote: >> We'd like the community to comment on this proposal. An announcement >> of our first v3+ version of MPIR will be forthcoming in a few days. David Kirkby wrote: > This stikes me as admitting the GMP developers are correct in their > claims, which you should not do if they are in

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Can a 4.3.5 be created to fix the Fedora/Mandriva/OpenSUSE build problem?

2010-04-01 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Jason Grout wrote: On 04/01/2010 01:56 AM, William Stein wrote: Sage didn't get to where it is now and won't get to where it needs to go by such an attitude of not supporting platforms. If anything, we need to solidly support far more platforms than we currently support. William, what is yo

[sage-devel] Re: Can a 4.3.5 be created to fix the Fedora/Mandriva/OpenSUSE build problem?

2010-04-01 Thread Jason Grout
On 04/01/2010 01:56 AM, William Stein wrote: Sage didn't get to where it is now and won't get to where it needs to go by such an attitude of not supporting platforms. If anything, we need to solidly support far more platforms than we currently support. William, what is your definition of the

Re: [sage-devel] MPIR and GMP: an announcement

2010-04-01 Thread David Kirkby
On 1 April 2010 08:39, MPIR Team wrote: > Dear Developers, > > As many will be aware, we posted recently about the baseless and > unsubstantiated allegations on the GMP website and promised to > respond. > > We had anticipated that merely drawing attention to this material > would lead to unpreced

[sage-devel] t2.math binary for Sage 4.3.5

2010-04-01 Thread Minh Nguyen
Hi folks, I have wrapped up a binary for t2.math. You can find it under the release directory http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/release/sage-4.3.5/ It is also available under my personal t2.math binary directory http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/mvngu/t2.math-bin/ Before using either of

[sage-devel] MPIR and GMP: an announcement

2010-04-01 Thread MPIR Team
Dear Developers, As many will be aware, we posted recently about the baseless and unsubstantiated allegations on the GMP website and promised to respond. We had anticipated that merely drawing attention to this material would lead to unprecedented public outrage and negativity towards MPIR. Of co

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Can a 4.3.5 be created to fix the Fedora/Mandriva/OpenSUSE build problem?

2010-04-01 Thread David Kirkby
What do others feel about these two cenaros 1) Have official support for a large number of Linux distributions, even though there are not the resources to test on them. 2) Have a smaller number of officially supported distributions on which it is practical to test  Sage on before an official rele

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Can a 4.3.5 be created to fix the Fedora/Mandriva/OpenSUSE build problem?

2010-04-01 Thread David Kirkby
On 1 April 2010 07:56, William Stein wrote: > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 11:50 PM, David Kirkby > wrote: >> If developers do not have access to a platform, and/or they do not >> have the time to test Sage on that platform, then remove offical >> support for the platform. Given the following two po

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Can a 4.3.5 be created to fix the Fedora/Mandriva/OpenSUSE build problem?

2010-04-01 Thread David Kirkby
On 31 March 2010 17:51, Robert Bradshaw wrote: > On Mar 31, 2010, at 5:45 AM, David Kirkby wrote: > > [...] > >> IMHO, if Sage is ever to become a viable alternative to Mathematica, >> Maple, MATLAB and Macsyma, you are going to have to shift the emphasis >> towards more thorough testing before ma