[sage-devel] Re: md5 hash on the metalinks download page

2010-02-23 Thread Jason Grout
On 02/24/2010 12:57 AM, Dan Drake wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 at 05:47PM -0600, Jason Grout wrote: Can we put the md5 sums on the metalinks page [1], like we have on the normal mirror download pages? I typically get Sage via the metalinks, but then it's an extra step or two to get the md5 from a

[sage-devel] Re: Can't factor constant polynomials over QQbar?

2010-02-23 Thread Dima Pasechnik
it's an easy to fix bug in squarefree_decomposition in sage/rings/ polynomial/polynomial_element.pyx, line 1142 I can fix it if there are no takers... Dima On Feb 24, 1:30 pm, Tom Boothby wrote: > I just put this up on trac, but I'm not sure I put it in the right > category, so I'm posting this

Re: [sage-devel] md5 hash on the metalinks download page

2010-02-23 Thread Dan Drake
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 at 05:47PM -0600, Jason Grout wrote: > Can we put the md5 sums on the metalinks page [1], like we have on the > normal mirror download pages? I typically get Sage via the metalinks, > but then it's an extra step or two to get the md5 from a download > page. I'm sure it's easy

Re: [sage-devel] Sage Calendar for 2011

2010-02-23 Thread Dan Drake
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 at 10:26AM -0800, William Stein wrote: > Send me your contribution for the Sage calendar for 2011. > > If you're somebody like Tom Boothby or Marshall Hampton that makes > amazing hi-res sage images, this means you! We should also include a TikZ-exported graph. I don't know of

[sage-devel] failing to build 4.3.0.1/2 on Skynet's sparc solaris (-R should not be used?)

2010-02-23 Thread Dima Pasechnik
I tried building sage 4.3.0.1 (and 4.3.0.2.alpha5-6583 snapshot created by Minh to demonstrate that unpleasant trac# 6583 bug) on skynet's mark, (SunOS mark 5.10 Generic_127111-01 sun4u sparc SUNW,Sun-Blade-2500) and it fails at gnutls spkg (this is not happening on t2), with messages indicating t

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Add 'gcc' libraries to Sage binaries (< 0.5% bloat)

2010-02-23 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Feb 23, 2010, at 9:53 PM, Robert Bradshaw wrote: On Feb 23, 2010, at 1:44 PM, Kasper Peeters wrote: It would be better for end users if we built standard rpm/deb/etc. packages that integrate well with the rest of each Linux, OS X, Solaris, Windows, etc., operating system, and of course regu

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Add 'gcc' libraries to Sage binaries (< 0.5% bloat)

2010-02-23 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Feb 23, 2010, at 1:44 PM, Kasper Peeters wrote: It would be better for end users if we built standard rpm/deb/etc. packages that integrate well with the rest of each Linux, OS X, Solaris, Windows, etc., operating system, and of course regularly tested that the full test suite passes on each s

[sage-devel] GSOC

2010-02-23 Thread Joshua Herman
Is sage doing GSOC? I was thinking I could make a mobile edition for sage. LOOK ITS A SIGNATURE CLICK IF YOU DARE--- http://www.google.com/profiles/zitterbewegung -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-d

[sage-devel] Can't factor constant polynomials over QQbar?

2010-02-23 Thread Tom Boothby
I just put this up on trac, but I'm not sure I put it in the right category, so I'm posting this here for more visibility. Punchline: sage: f = QQbar['x'](1) sage: f.roots() ... IndexError: list index out of range sage: Ticket: http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/8344 -- To post to this

[sage-devel] Re: Incorrectly computes an elliptic curve isogeny

2010-02-23 Thread chris wuthrich
Yop, I will look into that tomorrow. Looks like a bug in the post_isomorphism, since E.isogeny(Pts[23]) gives the right map but to an isomorphic curve. I will open a ticket tomorrow. -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send

[sage-devel] Re: Sage Calendar for 2011

2010-02-23 Thread mhampton
It better be a _really_ cool image... On Feb 23, 6:41 pm, Tom Boothby wrote: > On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 11:29 AM, William Stein wrote: > > > No due date -- since it's for a *2011* calendar after all. > > Great. I'll have something by June 2012. -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-d

[sage-devel] Re: gap spkg

2010-02-23 Thread Dima Pasechnik
if it is 2), there is already http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/8236 to address this. On Feb 24, 10:04 am, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > OK, few checks: > 1) what does gap_version() say? > > 2) do you have gap-4.4.12.p1.spkg in spkg/standard/ ? > (I saw this before - the installation of gap_pac

[sage-devel] Re: gap spkg

2010-02-23 Thread Dima Pasechnik
OK, few checks: 1) what does gap_version() say? 2) do you have gap-4.4.12.p1.spkg in spkg/standard/ ? (I saw this before - the installation of gap_packages needs to find out the gap version, and this is done by looking at the listing of gap-*.spkg's in spkg/standard/) Dima On Feb 24, 9:57 am, Di

[sage-devel] Re: gap spkg

2010-02-23 Thread Dima Pasechnik
William, what about the spkg from http://boxen.math.washington.edu/home/dima/packages/ Does this work? Best, Dima On Feb 24, 9:41 am, William Stein wrote: > Hi, > > I just tried > >    ./sage -optional > > and see gap_packages-4.4.12_2.  I then do > >    ./sage -i gap_packages-4.4.12_2 > > and

[sage-devel] Re: Should there be some *good* examples on notebook?

2010-02-23 Thread Oscar Lazo
On 23 feb, 10:39, "Dr. David Kirkby" wrote: > If one sets up a Sage server for public use, there is the opportunity for > someone to publish worksheets, there is a section: > > "Browse published Sage worksheets > (no login required)" > > But often those worksheets are bad examples, error message

[sage-devel] gap spkg

2010-02-23 Thread William Stein
Hi, I just tried ./sage -optional and see gap_packages-4.4.12_2. I then do ./sage -i gap_packages-4.4.12_2 and instantly get all kinds of pain: ... gap-4.4.10.p13 I

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage Calendar for 2011

2010-02-23 Thread Tom Boothby
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 11:29 AM, William Stein wrote: > > No due date -- since it's for a *2011* calendar after all. Great. I'll have something by June 2012. -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+uns

[sage-devel] Interface with Semigroupe; first step to success

2010-02-23 Thread Nicolas M. Thiery
Dear Jean-Eric, dear Sage-Combinat devs, Thanks to Semigroupe, Cython, and Sage Days 20, there now exists a monoid of size 823543 which Sage can construct in memory in about one second :-) Cheers, Florent and Nicolas, heading for bed --

[sage-devel] md5 hash on the metalinks download page

2010-02-23 Thread Jason Grout
Can we put the md5 sums on the metalinks page [1], like we have on the normal mirror download pages? I typically get Sage via the metalinks, but then it's an extra step or two to get the md5 from a download page. Thanks, Jason [1] http://sagemath.org/mirror/metalinks.html -- Jason Grout --

Re: [sage-devel] Message of the day?

2010-02-23 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
John Cremona wrote: Here's a suggestion for the notebook: allow the admin user to set a "message of the day" which would be seen either on the login page itself, or as a pop-up or similar after logging in. Example: after the server has just been upgraded to a new version (like 4.3.3 recently)

Re: [sage-devel] Message of the day?

2010-02-23 Thread John Cremona
On 23 February 2010 22:36, William Stein wrote: > Yes, yes, open a ticket. #8339 > -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://gro

Re: [sage-devel] Message of the day?

2010-02-23 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 2:22 PM, John Cremona wrote: > Here's a suggestion for the notebook:   allow the admin user to set a > "message of the day" which would be seen either on the login page > itself, or as a pop-up or similar after logging in. > > Example:  after the server has just been upgrad

[sage-devel] Message of the day?

2010-02-23 Thread John Cremona
Here's a suggestion for the notebook: allow the admin user to set a "message of the day" which would be seen either on the login page itself, or as a pop-up or similar after logging in. Example: after the server has just been upgraded to a new version (like 4.3.3 recently) users could be alerte

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Protecting special names against assignation

2010-02-23 Thread John Cremona
On 23 February 2010 21:59, Simon King wrote: > Hi Jason! > > On 23 Feb., 15:51, Jason Grout wrote: >> Maybe we could make a "New user" checkbox in the notebook like the >> "Typeset" checkbox, which turns on protected mode, automatic variable >> names, and implicit multiplication? > > But wouldn't

[sage-devel] Re: Protecting special names against assignation

2010-02-23 Thread Simon King
Hi Jason! On 23 Feb., 15:51, Jason Grout wrote: > Maybe we could make a "New user" checkbox in the notebook like the > "Typeset" checkbox, which turns on protected mode, automatic variable > names, and implicit multiplication? But wouldn't this encourage new users to take protected mode, automa

[sage-devel] Re: Add 'gcc' libraries to Sage binaries (< 0.5% bloat)

2010-02-23 Thread Kasper Peeters
> It would be better for end users if we built standard rpm/deb/etc. > packages that integrate well with the rest of each Linux, OS X, > Solaris, Windows, etc., operating system, and of course regularly > tested that the full test suite passes on each system, and when > packages on those systems ge

Re: [sage-devel] Add 'gcc' libraries to Sage binaries (< 0.5% bloat)

2010-02-23 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 2010-Feb-22 11:27:40 +, "Dr. David Kirkby" wrote: >This came up on the thread "mercurial on t2" but I thought I'd start >a new thread on it. I'd propose that we include in any binary >distribution gcc's C, C++ and Fortran shared libraries. They would be >placed in $SAGE_LOCAL/lib. Then we

Re: [sage-devel] Should there be some *good* examples on notebook?

2010-02-23 Thread Alex Ghitza
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:39:05 +, "Dr. David Kirkby" wrote: [...] > One normally associates "published" work as being of high quality. But in > this > case the "published" can be anything. Whilst regular users of Sage will know > what this means, for someone taking a quick glance, they are l

Re: [sage-devel] Should there be some *good* examples on notebook?

2010-02-23 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Feb 23, 2010, at 8:39 AM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: If one sets up a Sage server for public use, there is the opportunity for someone to publish worksheets, there is a section: "Browse published Sage worksheets (no login required)" But often those worksheets are bad examples, error message

Re: [sage-devel] Incorrectly computes an elliptic curve isogeny

2010-02-23 Thread John Cremona
That's a bug and needs a ticket. I always construct isognies from their kernels (as polynomials in x); in this case there are 3 2-isogenies which you can get using E.isogenies_prime_degree(2). One of those has kernel generalted by Pts[23], and is valid. sage: E = EllipticCurve(GF(17), [0,-1,0,-3

Re: [sage-devel] MatrixSpaces and the categories framework

2010-02-23 Thread Florent Hivert
Hi Martin, > > I just reviewed #8276 based on the discussion in > http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel/browse_frm/thread/1042edd11b3854b2 > . > For me a great problem arises with this change, though the majority > voted for it. I think about it as follows. > > The categories framework

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Add 'gcc' libraries to Sage binaries (< 0.5% bloat)

2010-02-23 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Feb 23, 2010, at 12:48 AM, Kasper Peeters wrote: While on this topic, can anyone point me to a good read on why Sage includes every known piece of software under the sun in its distribution? I would personally prefer to get rid of that _all_ and instead use the energy to support deb/rpm/ pkg/

[sage-devel] Re: stackoverflow for Sage

2010-02-23 Thread Harald Schilly
On Feb 23, 4:36 pm, Jason Grout wrote: > Has anyone thought of setting up a stack overflow-type site for Sage > support questions? . mathoverflow is good, but i think nearly nobody from here is over there? . personally, i hope that sometimes google's help groups system is available for everyone (

Re: [sage-devel] Finite Field coercion and p-adic polynomials

2010-02-23 Thread David Roe
Definition: The Conway polynomial over F_p of degree n is the polynomial f_{p,n} satisfying the following conditions: * f_{p,n} is monic and irreducible * x is a multiplicative generator of the field F_p[x]/(f_{p,n}(x)), ie the order of x is p^n-1 * For each divisor m of n, the minimal polynomial o

[sage-devel] Incorrectly computes an elliptic curve isogeny

2010-02-23 Thread Harald Schilly
I got this from the "report a problem" bugtracker: Incorrectly computes an elliptic curve isogeny Code below: We construct a curve over GF(17) and specify an isogeny E->E by specifying its kernel. SAGE computes the image of Pts[23] incorrectly. E = EllipticCurve(GF(17), [0,-1,0,-3,-1]) Pts = E.r

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage Calendar for 2011

2010-02-23 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 11:27 AM, mhampton wrote: > Do you have a due date?  I don't have much time right now to make > anything new, but I might soon. No due date -- since it's for a *2011* calendar after all. > Is there a preferred aspect ratio or size? Very good question. Has anybody here m

[sage-devel] Re: Sage Calendar for 2011

2010-02-23 Thread mhampton
Do you have a due date? I don't have much time right now to make anything new, but I might soon. Is there a preferred aspect ratio or size? -Marshall On Feb 23, 12:26 pm, William Stein wrote: > Hi, > > Send me your contribution for the Sage calendar for 2011. > > If you're somebody like Tom Bo

[sage-devel] Re: Add 'gcc' libraries to Sage binaries (< 0.5% bloat)

2010-02-23 Thread Volker Braun
There is a fundamental difference between math and system libraries. Specialist software receives much less testing, especially on exotic architectures. You can easily be the first one who builds X on Y and run into some obscure bug. So it is valuable to collect mathematical programs and make sure

Re: [sage-devel] Finite Field coercion and p-adic polynomials

2010-02-23 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 10:18 AM, David Roe wrote: > Hey all, > I have two series of patches I've been working on and need some help > reviewing them. > > The first implements coercion within lattices of finite fields.  So you can > now do the following: > What definitions do you use to do coerci

[sage-devel] SegFaults under Fedora 12 (#7773)

2010-02-23 Thread Paul Zimmermann
Hi, the problem with SegFaults under Fedora 12 (#7773) still sucks with 4.3.3, and makes reviewing patches more difficult. If any Sage developer is attending SD20 we can investigate that together on my laptop. Paul PS: I have put links on #7773 to the log of sage -t * and the install log.

Re: [sage-devel] stackoverflow for Sage

2010-02-23 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 7:36 AM, Jason Grout wrote: > Has anyone thought of setting up a stack overflow-type site for Sage support > questions?  Apparently Robert Kern is setting up a similar site for scipy, > and it looks very nice.  Here's the demo: > > http://advice.mechanicalkern.com/ I haven

[sage-devel] stackoverflow for Sage

2010-02-23 Thread Jason Grout
Has anyone thought of setting up a stack overflow-type site for Sage support questions? Apparently Robert Kern is setting up a similar site for scipy, and it looks very nice. Here's the demo: http://advice.mechanicalkern.com/ He has a repository customizing the "Solace" project code for such

[sage-devel] Re: sage-4.3.1 to 4.3.3 built error on fedora 11

2010-02-23 Thread ggrafendorfer
Hi Minh, > I still maintain the version of pari-2.3.3.p8.spkg at ticket #7979. > You can download it from I know, I already did it and expect it to work, I'm just wondering, so far I had the impression that built errors (and this is obviously one) are real blockers for new releases, that is, I w

[sage-devel] Should there be some *good* examples on notebook?

2010-02-23 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
If one sets up a Sage server for public use, there is the opportunity for someone to publish worksheets, there is a section: "Browse published Sage worksheets (no login required)" But often those worksheets are bad examples, error message, or just plain people experimenting. I do not think th

[sage-devel] Finite Field coercion and p-adic polynomials

2010-02-23 Thread David Roe
Hey all, I have two series of patches I've been working on and need some help reviewing them. The first implements coercion within lattices of finite fields. So you can now do the following: sage: k = GF(9) sage: l = GF(27) sage: x = k.gen() + l.gen(); x z6^5 + 2*z6^4 + 2*z6^3 + z6^2 + 2*z6 + 1

[sage-devel] Re: Protecting special names against assignation

2010-02-23 Thread Jason Grout
On 02/20/2010 08:02 PM, Robert Bradshaw wrote: On Feb 20, 2010, at 5:46 PM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: William Stein wrote: On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Tom Boothby wrote: I vehemently oppose this. -1 OK, I'm with you that this will not be on by default. As you suggest below, this is som

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Add 'gcc' libraries to Sage binaries (< 0.5% bloat)

2010-02-23 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Nick Alexander wrote: As much as I can see why people do not like this, I can see a lot of logic in William's approach. To add to what David said, some of this is historical. The 100 packages sage builds now are unwieldy, but it was not always so. Earlier distributions contained much less,

Re: [sage-devel] sage-4.3.1 to 4.3.3 built error on fedora 11

2010-02-23 Thread Minh Nguyen
Hi Georg, On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 2:42 AM, ggrafendorfer wrote: > When downloading sage-4.3.3 I was happy to find pari-2.3.3.p8.spkg > already in the distribution (no annoying change of packes anymore), The package pari-2.3.3.p8.spkg in Sage 4.3.3 is the version from ticket #8099 [1], not fro

[sage-devel] Just-in-time (rapid) development

2010-02-23 Thread Rob Beezer
The Mathematical Contest in Modeling [1] asks teams of three undergraduates to prepare a working mathematical model for a vaguely defined applied problem. This year's contest ran last weekend, Friday through Monday. One of our teams at the University of Puget Sound attempted the "locate a serial

[sage-devel] SciPy2010 Call for Papers

2010-02-23 Thread Stéfan van der Walt
== SciPy 2010 Call for Papers == SciPy 2010, the 9th Python in Science Conference, will be held from June 28th - July 3rd, 2010 in Austin, Texas. At this conference, novel applications and breakthroughs made in the pursuit of science using Python ar

[sage-devel] Re: Add 'gcc' libraries to Sage binaries (< 0.5% bloat)

2010-02-23 Thread Nils Bruin
Just from a purely pragmatic perspective, I would love if for binary builds the libraries (especially libstdc++) used during building would be *available* (not necessarily linked to) by default. Several times I ran into a situation where I quickly wanted to test something with a new version of sage

[sage-devel] Sage Calendar for 2011

2010-02-23 Thread William Stein
Hi, Send me your contribution for the Sage calendar for 2011. If you're somebody like Tom Boothby or Marshall Hampton that makes amazing hi-res sage images, this means you! William -- William Stein Associate Professor of Mathematics University of Washington http://wstein.org -- To post to th

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Add 'gcc' libraries to Sage binaries (< 0.5% bloat)

2010-02-23 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 1:37 AM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: > Kasper Peeters wrote: >>> >>> I'd propose that we include in any binary distribution gcc's C, C++ and >>> Fortran >>> shared libraries. >> >> I personally think that this is a _very_ bad idea. As others have >> emphasised, most >> systems

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Add 'gcc' libraries to Sage binaries (< 0.5% bloat)

2010-02-23 Thread Nick Alexander
As much as I can see why people do not like this, I can see a lot of logic in William's approach. To add to what David said, some of this is historical. The 100 packages sage builds now are unwieldy, but it was not always so. Earlier distributions contained much less, and shipping them al

[sage-devel] sage-4.3.1 to 4.3.3 built error on fedora 11

2010-02-23 Thread ggrafendorfer
Hi all, I recently reported a build error with sage-4.3.1 on fedora 11: http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support/browse_thread/thread/c895b6b12eb1d41/a1d5de9ee6b20a1b?lnk=gst&q=fedora+11#a1d5de9ee6b20a1b the workaround proposed by Minh did work, namely replacing the package pari-2.3.3.p7.spkg

[sage-devel] Should http://localhost:8000 be replaced by IP adresss:8000 ?

2010-02-23 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
When one launches the notebook, it says to go to http://localhost:8000. This is irrespective if whether you are sitting at the local host or on a server the other side of the world. Would it not be better to put the IP address there of the server which is running Sage? In some cases that might

[sage-devel] Solaris bug report from user on comp.unix.solaris and sci.math.symbolic.

2010-02-23 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
I see the following bug report below on comp.unix.solaris and sci.math.symbolic. I thought we had solved the 'xdg-open' problem before, but it appears not. Micheal opened a bug report for this 13 months ago. http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/4979 Dave = Start of bug report

[sage-devel] 'screen' and 'emacs' now on 't2'

2010-02-23 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Both 'screen and 'emacs' are now in /usr/local/bin. -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL:

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Simpler setup for build on t2

2010-02-23 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Mike Hansen wrote: On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 7:10 PM, Dima Pasechnik wrote: Dave, Is it possible to install screen on t2? Even if I run screen on boxen and ssh to t2, the connection is still a bit flaky. I just put a screen executable in /scratch/mhansen/bin that you can use. --Mike It is n

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Add 'gcc' libraries to Sage binaries (< 0.5% bloat)

2010-02-23 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Kasper Peeters wrote: I'd propose that we include in any binary distribution gcc's C, C++ and Fortran shared libraries. I personally think that this is a _very_ bad idea. As others have emphasised, most systems out there have a proper package management tool, which can moreover take care of dep

[sage-devel] Re: Add 'gcc' libraries to Sage binaries (< 0.5% bloat)

2010-02-23 Thread Kasper Peeters
> Are there issues if the gcc and core C libraries don't match? For   > example, If a user uses cython in the notebook, will it pick up the   > users g++ and Sage's libstdc++? What about someone who starts with a   > binary then starts developing with it or installs optional packages? On OS X, the

[sage-devel] Re: Add 'gcc' libraries to Sage binaries (< 0.5% bloat)

2010-02-23 Thread Kasper Peeters
> I'd propose that we include in any binary distribution gcc's C, C++ and > Fortran > shared libraries. I personally think that this is a _very_ bad idea. As others have emphasised, most systems out there have a proper package management tool, which can moreover take care of dependencies. By doin

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Failure building MPIR on sage 4.3.2

2010-02-23 Thread François Bissey
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 09:44:34 Bill Hart wrote: > This is a yasm issue (yasm is a prereq for MPIR and is included in the > tarball). > > I haven't ever seen yasm not build on an Opteron before. > > Can you download MPIR 1.3.1 from http://www.mpir.org/ and verify it > builds on your machine outside

Re: [sage-devel] Driven mad by cimport in Cython

2010-02-23 Thread Nathann Cohen
In the end it was just this, plus several nasty bugs that took me some time. Without help, I'd still be there ! Here it is : http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/8172 Thank youu very much Nathann On 21 February 2010 17:47, David Roe wrote: > If you're calling the functio