[sage-devel] Re: Element definition not loaded initially

2009-05-25 Thread Kwankyu
Is there any reason that the abstract class definitions should not be imported, at least for convenience? If they are not imported, then I think it takes some time for a new user to find out the right path (that is, 'sage.structure.element') when he tries to extend the base abstract class for his

[sage-devel] Re: Web page looks pretty poor compared to Mathematica's

2009-05-25 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Kwankyu wrote: > Hi, > > The Sage website looks pale and gloomy to me. That's what I feel - it needs brightening up somewhat. > But I don'like > Mathematica's website either. > Fair enough. These things are very subjective. > Also I want to express my opinion again here that I don't like the

[sage-devel] Re: Element definition not loaded initially

2009-05-25 Thread Craig Citro
> Perhaps the class definition for Element should be loaded initially. > It's there, it's just not imported into the top-level namespace: sage: sage.structure.element.Element? Type: type Base Class: String Form: Namespace:Interactive File: /sage/local/lib/python2.5/

[sage-devel] Re: [sage-combinat-devel] Re: Categories for the working programmer

2009-05-25 Thread Nicolas M. Thiery
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 01:44:40PM +0100, John Cremona wrote: > I also would not use "ring" unless it had both a 0 and a 1. Sorry, if I was unclearn. I was not doubting the a consensus about this. The question I was raising was about the names we wanted to use for "rings" without 0 resp. 1. >

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.0 release plan ; categories

2009-05-25 Thread Nicolas M. Thiery
Dear Craig, David, Mike, Robert: Good news: I had not look at the unpickling issues outside of the combinatorics code, thinking they would be similar to those in there, that is fairly easy to handle. They actually turned out to be all completely trivial: it's just that the basic categorie

[sage-devel] Element definition not loaded initially

2009-05-25 Thread Kwankyu
Hi, The hierarchy is like SageObject - Element - ModuleElement - But sage: SageObject? Type: type Base Class: String Form: Namespace: Interactive File: /Users/Kwankyu/Sage/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages/sage/ structure/sage_object.so Docstring: x.__i

[sage-devel] Re: Web page looks pretty poor compared to Mathematica's

2009-05-25 Thread Kwankyu
Hi, The Sage website looks pale and gloomy to me. But I don'like Mathematica's website either. Also I want to express my opinion again here that I don't like the Sage logo (but I like Cython's logo very much). Perhaps what I don't like is the science fiction-ish glyph. I wish someone artistic (no

[sage-devel] Re: Taking a break from release management

2009-05-25 Thread Kiran Kedlaya
I think it's safe to say that without your work, we would be nowhere near 4.0; having patches getting into releases so quickly was reassuring to a lot of us that our work on those patches would not be lost to bitrot. Enjoy a well-deserved vacation; I hope to see you back in the forums soon thereaf

[sage-devel] Re: Verbosity

2009-05-25 Thread William Stein
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Pat LeSmithe wrote: > > > Does Sage have a general framework for providing progress updates during > its computations?  More generally, a system for logging and reporting > messages of various sorts, apart from tracebacks triggered by uncaught > exceptions? > > I

[sage-devel] Verbosity

2009-05-25 Thread Pat LeSmithe
Does Sage have a general framework for providing progress updates during its computations? More generally, a system for logging and reporting messages of various sorts, apart from tracebacks triggered by uncaught exceptions? I ask because I recently "found" Python's logging module: http://docs

[sage-devel] Re: edge addition planarity code in Sage

2009-05-25 Thread William Stein
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 1:20 PM, John Boyer wrote: > > Dear Dr. Stein, > > I got your email address from the Sage website acknowledgements page. > I believe that my planarity code is now being used in Sage, and it would be > helpful to me to have a mention on the ack page along the lines of "John

[sage-devel] Re: Web page looks pretty poor compared to Mathematica's

2009-05-25 Thread William Stein
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 4:06 PM, William Stein wrote: > On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Justin C. Walker wrote: >> >> >> On May 25, 2009, at 04:00 , Dr. David Kirkby wrote: >> >>> BTW, http://sage.milnix.org/ does not appear to be alive. I noticed >>> that >>> a day or so ago, and it is still d

[sage-devel] Re: Web page looks pretty poor compared to Mathematica's

2009-05-25 Thread William Stein
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Justin C. Walker wrote: > > > On May 25, 2009, at 04:00 , Dr. David Kirkby wrote: > >> BTW, http://sage.milnix.org/ does not appear to be alive. I noticed >> that >> a day or so ago, and it is still dead. > > I've lost track of where and when milnix.org arose, but

[sage-devel] Re: Web page looks pretty poor compared to Mathematica's

2009-05-25 Thread Skylar Saveland
I think you guys have it pretty well covered but let me just say +1 to mathematica page making me nervous +1 I don't like flash either +1 the sage page is nice. ... Maybe if there was some sort of cms/videos it would be great. I had no idea that the whole thing was static. Maybe tack a little d

[sage-devel] Re: Web page looks pretty poor compared to Mathematica's

2009-05-25 Thread Justin C. Walker
On May 25, 2009, at 04:00 , Dr. David Kirkby wrote: > BTW, http://sage.milnix.org/ does not appear to be alive. I noticed > that > a day or so ago, and it is still dead. I've lost track of where and when milnix.org arose, but it looks like the system is awake. It's just not listening for H

[sage-devel] Re: Taking a break from release management

2009-05-25 Thread David Roe
Indeed. You've done an amazing job, and we're all really grateful for the work and expertise you've shared with Sage. Have a nice vacation. :-) David On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 11:34 AM, gsw wrote: > > > > On 25 Mai, 16:45, mabshoff wrote: > > Hello folks, > > > > for various reasons I am takin

[sage-devel] Re: Taking a break from release management

2009-05-25 Thread gsw
On 25 Mai, 16:45, mabshoff wrote: > Hello folks, > > for various reasons I am taking a break from release management. Post > 4.0.rc0 I have merged only a few patches that can be found in > >  http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/mabshoff/release-cycles-4.0/rc1/ > > and should simply be reimport

[sage-devel] Re: Taking a break from release management

2009-05-25 Thread William Stein
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 7:45 AM, mabshoff wrote: > > Hello folks, > > for various reasons I am taking a break from release management. Post > 4.0.rc0 I have merged only a few patches that can be found in > >  http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/mabshoff/release-cycles-4.0/rc1/ > > and should sim

[sage-devel] Taking a break from release management

2009-05-25 Thread mabshoff
Hello folks, for various reasons I am taking a break from release management. Post 4.0.rc0 I have merged only a few patches that can be found in http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/mabshoff/release-cycles-4.0/rc1/ and should simply be reimported. It would also be good if someone could deal w

[sage-devel] Re: sage-4.0.rc0 bug in callable symbolic expression

2009-05-25 Thread William Stein
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 6:54 AM, Wilfried_Huss wrote: > > With the new symbolics I get the following error: > > sage: a(x) = x > sage: print a(x) > ERROR: An unexpected error occurred while tokenizing input > The following traceback may be corrupted or invalid > The error message is: ('EOF in mul

[sage-devel] sage-4.0.rc0 bug in callable symbolic expression

2009-05-25 Thread Wilfried_Huss
With the new symbolics I get the following error: sage: a(x) = x sage: print a(x) ERROR: An unexpected error occurred while tokenizing input The following traceback may be corrupted or invalid The error message is: ('EOF in multi-line statement', (2440, 0)) (...) AttributeError: 'module' object h

[sage-devel] Re: Bug - sage-cleaner failed due to NULLs in spawned-processes files written by cleaner.py

2009-05-25 Thread William Stein
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 8:53 AM, adavid wrote: > > > After building 4.0rc0 overnight, on my laptop, I started make test > the next morning. . I shutdown the laptop before completion as I had > to rush out the door (suspend would have been a good idea...). > > Regardless, I ended up with a tempora

[sage-devel] Re: new face lift for planet.sagemath.org

2009-05-25 Thread Minh Nguyen
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 11:24 AM, Burcin Erocal wrote: > >> Can you please take a screenshot, upload it somewhere, and send me a >> link to the screenshot? > > http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/burcin/t.png > > With: > > Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.0.10) Gecko/200905051

[sage-devel] Re: new face lift for planet.sagemath.org

2009-05-25 Thread Minh Nguyen
Hi Ahmet, On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 11:29 AM, ahmet alper parker wrote: > > http://www.ahmetalperparker.com/sshot.JPG Greatly appreciated. -- Regards Minh Van Nguyen --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubs

[sage-devel] Re: new face lift for planet.sagemath.org

2009-05-25 Thread ahmet alper parker
http://www.ahmetalperparker.com/sshot.JPG On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Minh Nguyen wrote: > > On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 11:16 AM, ahmet alper parker > wrote: >> >> the right pane (which starts with planet sage) comes over the left one >> on explorer 8 when you view it on a smaller (not maxi

[sage-devel] Re: new face lift for planet.sagemath.org

2009-05-25 Thread Timothy Clemans
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 3:15 AM, Minh Nguyen wrote: > > Hi folks, > > The Planet Sage aggregator has had a new face lift. It now looks > consistent with the Sage website. Check out the new Planet Sage at > > planet.sagemath.org > Good work! You may want to remove Ted Kosan and Yi Qiang's blog fr

[sage-devel] Re: new face lift for planet.sagemath.org

2009-05-25 Thread Burcin Erocal
On Mon, 25 May 2009 11:18:22 + Minh Nguyen wrote: > > On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 11:16 AM, ahmet alper parker > wrote: > > > > the right pane (which starts with planet sage) comes over the left > > one on explorer 8 when you view it on a smaller (not maximized) > > window. > > Can you please

[sage-devel] Re: new face lift for planet.sagemath.org

2009-05-25 Thread Minh Nguyen
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 11:16 AM, ahmet alper parker wrote: > > the right pane (which starts with planet sage) comes over the left one > on explorer 8 when you view it on a smaller (not maximized) window. Can you please take a screenshot, upload it somewhere, and send me a link to the screenshot

[sage-devel] Re: new face lift for planet.sagemath.org

2009-05-25 Thread ahmet alper parker
the right pane (which starts with planet sage) comes over the left one on explorer 8 when you view it on a smaller (not maximized) window. On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Minh Nguyen wrote: > > Hi folks, > > The Planet Sage aggregator has had a new face lift. It now looks > consistent with the

[sage-devel] Re: Web page looks pretty poor compared to Mathematica's

2009-05-25 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Harald Schilly wrote: > On May 24, 3:14 pm, Gonzalo Tornaria wrote: >> Here's a 5 minute hack of something along those >> lines:http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/tornaria/sagemath.png >> > > sorry, for me, that's just ugly. i tried to find more colors thaat fit > together some time ago (use

[sage-devel] new face lift for planet.sagemath.org

2009-05-25 Thread Minh Nguyen
Hi folks, The Planet Sage aggregator has had a new face lift. It now looks consistent with the Sage website. Check out the new Planet Sage at planet.sagemath.org -- Regards Minh Van Nguyen --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@go

[sage-devel] Bug - sage-cleaner failed due to NULLs in spawned-processes files written by cleaner.py

2009-05-25 Thread adavid
After building 4.0rc0 overnight, on my laptop, I started make test the next morning. . I shutdown the laptop before completion as I had to rush out the door (suspend would have been a good idea...). Regardless, I ended up with a temporary file structure with a number of spawned_processes files c