[sage-devel] Fodder for a Sage review

2009-03-15 Thread Rob Beezer
Sage-Devel, I've been asked to write a review of Sage for SIAM Review, the main journal for the Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics. I'd like to include some concrete examples of some fast and powerful commands in Sage that would interest applied mathematicians. For example, Sage can

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.4 sources released

2009-03-15 Thread Nick Alexander
> A release tour can be found at > > http://mvngu.wordpress.com/2009/03/16/sage-34-released/ Minh, this is great. Thanks for your efforts. Nick --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group,

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.4 sources released

2009-03-15 Thread Minh Nguyen
Hi folks, On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 7:29 AM, mabshoff wrote: > > Hello folks, > > after more delay than hoped for here goes the final 3.4. Sources are > available from > > http://www.sagemath.org/src/ > > Upgrading Sage via the official channel also works already. There is > also a sage.math only

[sage-devel] Re: hyperelliptic curve constructor question

2009-03-15 Thread Nick Alexander
My wrapper that I never got around to submitting... Nick --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-devel-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group

[sage-devel] Re: hyperelliptic curve constructor question

2009-03-15 Thread Alex Ghitza
Hi David, On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 1:12 PM, David Harvey wrote: > > Ah. The reason I asked is that various people have requested that I > write a better wrapper for my hypellfrob library in Sage, and I was > about to try doing that. I thought it should be some kind of method > "frobenius_charpoly

[sage-devel] Re: hyperelliptic curve constructor question

2009-03-15 Thread Justin Walker
Alex Ghitza might have some comments to add to this. On Mar 15, 2009, at 7:12 PM, David Harvey wrote: > On Mar 15, 10:00 pm, Justin Walker wrote: > >> The short answer is: we're working on it (as a part of an SD14 >> project). The whole schemes directory is being "scrubbed" (and of >> course, i

[sage-devel] Re: deprecating calling of symbolic expressions without variable names

2009-03-15 Thread Ronan Paixão
Em Dom, 2009-03-15 às 17:11 -0700, kcrisman escreveu: > > > Wouldn't it be clearer if the error message read > > > > NameError: name 't' is not defined, try var('t') beforehand > > > > or something similar? > > > > Perhaps as Carl deprecates common anticipated behaviors he'd be open > > to havi

[sage-devel] Re: hyperelliptic curve constructor question

2009-03-15 Thread David Harvey
On Mar 15, 10:00 pm, Justin Walker wrote: > The short answer is: we're working on it (as a part of an SD14   > project).  The whole schemes directory is being "scrubbed" (and of   > course, it takes time to figure out what is intended, before cleaning   > it up). > > Trac items will appear in d

[sage-devel] MPIR 1.0.0 release

2009-03-15 Thread Bill Hart
We've just put up what will likely be the final release for MPIR 1.0.0. at: http://www.mpir.org/ * MUCH faster AMD K8/K10 assembly support * Significantly faster Core 2 assembly support * Numerous fixes which mean faster code/build support for other x86_64 systems * Lot's more... We are now jus

[sage-devel] Re: hyperelliptic curve constructor question

2009-03-15 Thread Justin Walker
Hi, David, On Mar 15, 2009, at 6:54 PM, dmharvey wrote: > The constructor for hyperelliptic curves has the following signature: > > def HyperellipticCurve(f,h=None,names=None,PP=None) > > but the code doesn't seem to use the PP parameter anywhere, and there > are no examples of its use in the do

[sage-devel] hyperelliptic curve constructor question

2009-03-15 Thread dmharvey
Hi, The constructor for hyperelliptic curves has the following signature: def HyperellipticCurve(f,h=None,names=None,PP=None) but the code doesn't seem to use the PP parameter anywhere, and there are no examples of its use in the docstring. In fact the first thing the code does with PP is overw

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.4 compile fails on gmp-mpir

2009-03-15 Thread Bill Hart
Yep, a release candidate for MPIR with Atom support will be up on our website as soon as I figure out how to copy files over to that server. I may have to wait for tech support. :-) Testing for the next version of Sage will start soon, I am sure. Thanks again for the report. Bill. On 15 Mar, 0

[sage-devel] Re: sage days 14

2009-03-15 Thread Alex Ghitza
Hi, On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Minh Nguyen wrote: > > On the above site, I notice the following dot point: > > "credit: young people, publication record" > > I'm not sure why this point would be under the list of things that > disturb anyone about the direction in which Sage is going. Per

[sage-devel] Re: deprecating calling of symbolic expressions without variable names

2009-03-15 Thread kcrisman
> Wouldn't it be clearer if the error message read > > NameError: name 't' is not defined, try  var('t')  beforehand > > or something similar? > > Perhaps as Carl deprecates common anticipated behaviors he'd be open > to having his patch adjust the permanent error messages (not just the > depreca

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE possible improvement

2009-03-15 Thread fergusno...@gmail.com
Hi, Thanks for emailing me Nicolas. I had a quick play with writing a units extension really just to learn more about SAGE. I've only just started writing this so its still a way off being ready for prime time but so far you can create quantities with units, manipulate them like any other number

[sage-devel] Re: sage days 14

2009-03-15 Thread Minh Nguyen
Hi folks, On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Robert Bradshaw wrote: > > On Mar 14, 2009, at 1:21 AM, William Stein wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> >> Sage Days 14 in Berkeley happened... and it turned out to be awesome! >> >> See http://wiki.sagemath.org/days14 for links to notes from the >> conference. > >

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE possible improvement

2009-03-15 Thread Nicolas M. Thiery
On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 06:48:16PM -0700, Carl Witty wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 1:21 AM, Jason Grout > wrote: > > > > Maurizio wrote: > >> With this, I'm not proposing this package over others (for example, > >> Unum looks very mature, but outdated), I'm just asking if one of you > >> ca

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE possible improvement

2009-03-15 Thread Carl Witty
On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Maurizio wrote: > > Ok, let me add another long post to this conversation... hopefully you > have enough patience!! This is probably known stuff for some of you, > but I'm sure some others will learn something! I kindly ask you to try > to go through all this pos

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE possible improvement

2009-03-15 Thread Maurizio
Ok, let me add another long post to this conversation... hopefully you have enough patience!! This is probably known stuff for some of you, but I'm sure some others will learn something! I kindly ask you to try to go through all this post, I think it will be worthwile. Short and not so important

[sage-devel] Re: element of integermod is element of integer?

2009-03-15 Thread Martin Rubey
(cross posting to fricas-devel, maybe others want to make things more precise. Eg., I won't touch the difference between coercion and conversion here, although I probably should...) "Nicolas M. Thiery" writes: > > > Do you foresee any occasion to meet physically all three of us? > > > > Well,

Re: [sage-combinat-devel] Re: [sage-devel] Re: Algebras with several bases, aka abstract parents with several concrete representations

2009-03-15 Thread Nicolas M. Thiery
Hi Carl! On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 06:11:52AM -0700, Carl Witty wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 11:42 PM, Nicolas M. Thiery > wrote: > > In fact, I'd love to be able to do: > > > >from SymmetricFunctions(QQ).shorthands import * > > > > Furthermore, providing the user with (opti

[sage-devel] Re: element of integermod is element of integer?

2009-03-15 Thread Nicolas M. Thiery
> > Do you foresee any occasion to meet physically all three of us? > > Well, at least two of us are at FPSAC 09 at RISC. > > (I love all these abbreviations, it feels so french :-) :-) > (3) The interpreter makes a heuristic choice which signatures to > prefer over others. This algorithm

[sage-devel] System tray icon?

2009-03-15 Thread Pat LeSmithe
For a Linux system with (Py)GTK installed, here's a simple way to set up a system tray icon which indicates, roughly, whether the notebook server is running: 1. Save the attached script as $SAGE_ROOT/local/bin/sage-tray-icon . 2. Make it executable. 3. Insert "sage-tray-icon &" between the sage-c

Re: [sage-combinat-devel] Re: [sage-devel] Re: Algebras with several bases, aka abstract parents with several concrete representations

2009-03-15 Thread Carl Witty
On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 11:42 PM, Nicolas M. Thiery wrote: > In fact, I'd love to be able to do: > >from SymmetricFunctions(QQ).shorthands import * > > Furthermore, providing the user with (optional but easy to load) > shorthands promotes their standardization among all users. This makes

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE possible improvement

2009-03-15 Thread Maurizio
Thank you Jason, I'll try it as soon as possible. By the way, have you got any idea about where in the code should I look at to let it work with SAGE numbers? Something like constructors or stuff like that? Thanks Maurizio On 15 Mar, 02:29, Jason Grout wrote: > Maurizio wrote: > > To be hones

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE possible improvement

2009-03-15 Thread Maurizio
Does he keep track of his experiment somewhere on the net? I would like to have a look at it. By the way, this effort is certainly good, but one of the biggest merit of SAGE was (in my modest opinion) the idea to not reinvent the wheel as long as it's possible. (I hope SAGE is not changing its pa

[sage-devel] Re: element of integermod is element of integer?

2009-03-15 Thread Martin Rubey
"Nicolas M. Thiery" writes: > On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 03:51:36PM +0100, Martin Rubey wrote: > > > > "Nicolas M. Thiery" writes: > > > > > Well, maybe we could join forces, and write a paper "coercion and > > > dispatch in Sage and MuPAD". Having more than one implementation of > > > the conce

[sage-devel] Re: deprecating calling of symbolic expressions without variable names

2009-03-15 Thread Burcin Erocal
On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 14:10:32 -0500 Jason Grout wrote: > > Burcin Erocal wrote: > > On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 11:45:13 -0700 > > William Stein wrote: > > > > > It is a similar situation for the plot commands. Many people have > > complained about the inconsistencies in Sage's plotting interface. >

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.4 compile fails on gmp-mpir

2009-03-15 Thread Carlo Hamalainen
On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Bill Hart wrote: > Thanks for the report Carlo. The mpir team is about to make a new > release (today or at the latest Monday) if I can help it. Awesome. From the thread on the mpir list it looks like the bug has been sorted out. I'm happy to test that the new ve

[sage-devel] Re: element of integermod is element of integer?

2009-03-15 Thread Nicolas M. Thiery
On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 02:27:34AM -0700, William Stein wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 1:26 AM, Nicolas M. Thiery > wrote: > > > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 09:10:43PM -0700, Robert Bradshaw wrote: > >> >  - I see 10*bla as (potentially) involving two independent things: > >> >    coercion and

[sage-devel] Re: element of integermod is element of integer?

2009-03-15 Thread Nicolas M. Thiery
On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 03:51:36PM +0100, Martin Rubey wrote: > > "Nicolas M. Thiery" writes: > > > Well, maybe we could join forces, and write a paper "coercion and > > dispatch in Sage and MuPAD". Having more than one implementation of > > the concept would even make it a standard :-) > > Ma

[sage-devel] Re: Is Sage implementing mathematics?

2009-03-15 Thread Nicolas M. Thiery
On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 07:52:13PM -0700, William Stein wrote: > This is ridiculous. If we made a==b true only if parent(a) == > parent(b), we would get nonstop complaints and confusion from users, > and would be doing something different and massively more *pedantic* > than every other math soft

[sage-devel] Re: Algebras with several bases, aka abstract parents with several concrete representations

2009-03-15 Thread Nicolas M. Thiery
Dear Andrew, I hope my previous message clarified the discussion. Let me know if there are some unanswered parts to your message. On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 07:31:22PM -0700, Andrew Mathas wrote: > another possibility for the syntax for algebras with many > bases: > sage: H = HeckeAlge